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#16    MiskatonicGrad

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:12 AM

I think we would be surprised how much the ancients moved around. Now I'm sure it wasn't large groups all the time but someone with itchy feet wants to see what is over the next hill. He ends up in a distant land in need of a superior weapon which his tribe back home can make. "you give me shiny rock I get you sharp sword". he makes his money and doesn't come back. Olaf thinks he can make a sword just like it "BAM" it make look like a Dyson but it ain't

Now we have a bunch of "experts" scratching their heads "wha  wha  where did this come from?"

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 09:28 AM

Tutankhaten-pasheri..

Comparing the Nazi's to the Vikings, is like chalk and cheese, mate.. the Vikings were the traders, adventurers and swords for hire.. whereas the Nazi's drew upon 2000 years of German and European civilization for their technology and power.. an interesting point is that the 'Ulfberht' stamped on the blades of these swords was written in Latin and not in Viking runes, suggesting that the swords were cast by foreigners at great cost and probably from ingots obtained from the east.. You mentioned the Viking boats and I must agree with you that they were well designed built and suited for the way of life of a pirate and marauder..  

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 09:27 PM

View PostHarry_Dresden, on 19 July 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

Tutankhaten-pasheri..

Comparing the Nazi's to the Vikings, is like chalk and cheese, mate.. the Vikings were the traders, adventurers and swords for hire.. whereas the Nazi's drew upon 2000 years of German and European civilization for their technology and power.. an interesting point is that the 'Ulfberht' stamped on the blades of these swords was written in Latin and not in Viking runes, suggesting that the swords were cast by foreigners at great cost and probably from ingots obtained from the east.. You mentioned the Viking boats and I must agree with you that they were well designed built and suited for the way of life of a pirate and marauder..  

Cheers..

While it isn't fair to say they were /only/ pirates and marauders, it's also extremely disingenuous to suggest the Vikings /weren't/ sometimes vicious pirates and marauders, as if they were a group of noble but misunderstood mercenaries. We have centuries of reports of their ruthlessness, theft, rapes and murder.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 12:55 AM

The show said that it is possible that the Ulfburht Swords used latin letters, for the same reason we do, on our money. A almost mystical sense that using the letters of a more ancient people bestows more power/authority.

Edited by DieChecker, 20 July 2013 - 12:56 AM.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 04:01 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 20 July 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

The show said that it is possible that the Ulfburht Swords used latin letters, for the same reason we do, on our money. A almost mystical sense that using the letters of a more ancient people bestows more power/authority.

It appears whoever did the research for 'the show' didn't do a very good job (or they used the same retarded writers as the History channel)...

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 05:03 AM

View PostPax Unum, on 20 July 2013 - 04:01 AM, said:

It appears whoever did the research for 'the show' didn't do a very good job (or they used the same retarded writers as the History channel)...

I believe they meant such in as far as if the swords were made by the Scandanavian Vikings, who I believe were using a runic script at the time, then the strange symbols would be mystical. Naturally if the Franks made the swords they would use their own letters.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 07:12 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 17 July 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

I was watching this Nova special on Netflix and wanted to discuss/share.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2284159044/

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Viking_sword

Apparently these Ulfberht swords were the most effective, expensive, high status swords for the time in Europe. They appear to be made of a much finer steel then the local swords. Who made them is a mystery. What the word "Ulfberht", that was engraved/inset into the blade means is also a mystery.

The metallurgy needed to make this steel did not exist in Europe for almost 1000 years after these blades were created. It is supposed that the steel came out of the Middle east as the steel has similarities to the Damascus steel, which itself is also surrounded by mysterys.

A very interesting show...

Thank you for the link. A very interesting show.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 07:57 AM

View PostHarry_Dresden, on 19 July 2013 - 07:12 AM, said:

For a marauding , raping and pillaging group of guy's, i find it hard to believe these Vikings, knew and were capable of producing such technologically innovative swords.. more than likely the Greeks of Constantinople, paid them off with swords for service..

I understand your train of thought there. But people tend to make things (especially weapons) with more advanced technology in times of war.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:48 PM

The swords could have been made from Damascus steel which in turn is made from  wootz steel, which was developed in India.
The technology for developing wootz steel originated in south india, mainly during 300 BC.
Kerala and Tamil Nadu (southern most states of india) have preserved the ancient steel making techniques.
Ancient Europe and Ancient Middle east had long and rich history of trade with south india, mainly with the Malabar coast and ancient Tamil kingdoms.
The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea of details the ports in the Indian sub continent in detail. it is quite possible that the ancient steel making techniques would have been transferred upward to north india and further and across the oceans to the ancient middle east and ancient Europe, with the Greek & roman traders.

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