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#16    jugoso

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:18 PM

View PostKowalski, on 17 July 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

Personally, I think it's a bad idea, as this would subvert our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, for a different government.

You are correct. The US doesn´t need any help with this. They are doing a fine job of it on their owh.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:21 PM

View Postjugoso, on 17 July 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

You are correct. The US doesn´t need any help with this. They are doing a fine job of it on their owh.

So true....


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 12:59 AM

View PostSquidfish, on 17 July 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

I think it is too big to merge them all together like this, I mean, do you believe in all these subjects? Some of them? What is your theory exactly?

But okay, let's start at the New World Order itself. If they have been around for all these years - why haven't they taken over? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that it is "them" - the NWO - and us, and that's it. No Anti-NWO working in secret or anything. So again, why aren't we all supercontrolled a.k.a. 1984?

And what's with all the progress in, for the lack of words, "general freedom"? If the NWO have been around for longer than 30 years, why give us the internet? Twitter? Facebook? Wikipedia? The means to spread a message across the whole world in less than 24 hours? Why invent lighter mobile phones with abilities to film and take pictures (and letting people upload them for everyone to see at once)? I mean, where would people like Alex Jones be without YouTube? No one would know he even existed.

If anything, the NWO seems to be working for a better world rather than a bad one with controls everywhere. Heard about Edvard Snowden? The US government went bananas just hours after it was known. Assange? Still in Britain, fearing he will be extradited to Sweden, and then to the US. What NWO would want them even alive? What NWO would want global media to see them and people to know about them?

But, if you like specifics on each conspiracy I think you really should see the other threads, because they have been discussed at large already. :)


Wow! I didn't expect so many replies this soon! Well yeah sorry for being vague- I kinda had to... I can possibly explain later.
Anyways, my theory is that most of these smaller conspiracies are really part of a bigger conspiracy.
So first question: Why haven't they taken over yet?
Well there are people against the NWO. There are old families and one is the family Churche. I cant tell who how they stop them, sorry. There are (from recent research) people who call themselves the star children. Then there are individuals who attempt to stop them.

The next question: technology
Has anyone realized how dependant we become on cell phones, tv, ipads, or the net? Another point: thanks to the Patriot Act, everything we write, say, and do on the technology we use is monitored.  I wouldn't doubt that this is being watched closely.

Next: Media
Most media is controlled by the government. A good example is Germany's media coverage and bias against the Jewish, Gypsies, ect. (people that Hitlar wouldn't accept) other good examples recently: white house evacuation, the lack of media for the Sandy Hook shooting.

Next: Edvard Snowden? what a good distraction- considering I mentioned the patriot act earlier.... Americans should have already known this; are most of us that blind? wow. And it is rumored that the NWO headquarters was Germany- but changed to the US after ww2. And why not make people think people like Alex Jones and others that they are crazy...

Why the new world order would be a bad thing? Hmmm who wants to die real fast? Or be a slave? The mission of the new world order is to kill of most of the population and enslave the rest. What will happen to our freedom then hmm?

p.s. Im actually sticking my neck out to say this okay?


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:43 AM

uhm I was sent this: http://www.disclose.tv/forum/world-war-iii-brews-as-nation-distracted-by-trayvon-martin-t85344.html
I thought it was pretty interesting...


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 06:16 AM

View PostLesionia, on 18 July 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

Well there are people against the NWO. There are old families and one is the family Churche. I cant tell who how they stop them, sorry.

Never heard of this Churche. If they are powerful, then why do they not want to be part of the conspiracy? What is their real goal?

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There are (from recent research) people who call themselves the star children. Then there are individuals who attempt to stop them.

Many people can call themselves all kinds of things. What have these "star children" done to stop the NWO? Are there any evidence even to support their existence?

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Has anyone realized how dependant we become on cell phones, tv, ipads, or the net? Another point: thanks to the Patriot Act, everything we write, say, and do on the technology we use is monitored.  I wouldn't doubt that this is being watched closely.

Monitored and spied on? Absolutely. Every single person on Earth? No. Half the population would be required to monitor the other half. Besides this - so what if they do? They can't stop mass uprisings ala Egypt or Libya.

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Most media is controlled by the government.

Most media is in fact not controlled by the government. Else, Watergate would never have happened. Critical voices against the EU or new trade agreements or illegal immigration would never be published, let alone be made books. Yet they are. Why would they do this?

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A good example is Germany's media coverage and bias against the Jewish, Gypsies, ect. (people that Hitlar wouldn't accept) other good examples recently: white house evacuation, the lack of media for the Sandy Hook shooting.

Wait a minute - are you meaning to say that because Hitler was German, the German media is now biased against Jews and Gypsies? What White House evacuation? What was lacking about the coverage about Sandy Hook?

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Next: Edvard Snowden? what a good distraction- considering I mentioned the patriot act earlier....

A distraction for what? Why is the Patriot Act relevant here?

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And it is rumored that the NWO headquarters was Germany- but changed to the US after ww2.

Rumored by whom?

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And why not make people think people like Alex Jones and others that they are crazy...

Okay. So. Alex Jones uses the internet to post his information about the NWO to warn people. The NWO allows this to "make other people believe" he is crazy? So what you are saying is that Alex Jones is crazy?

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Why the new world order would be a bad thing? Hmmm who wants to die real fast?

How do you know the NWO is out to kill people?

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The mission of the new world order is to kill of most of the population and enslave the rest.

Again, how do you know this? Have you read their manual?

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What will happen to our freedom then hmm?

And your freedom now is bad how? What kind of freedom do you long for?

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p.s. Im actually sticking my neck out to say this okay?

Then why didn't you say so at the start? Now I completely believe you and understand your point of view without question! :D


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 06:59 AM

View PostSquidfish, on 18 July 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

What was lacking about the coverage about Sandy Hook?



"If they wouldn't let us seee the bodies, we won't believe that it happened, and we'll assume that it was staged by the Govt. to give them an excuse to Take Away America's Guns", I suppose.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:09 AM

View PostLesionia, on 18 July 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:


Why the new world order would be a bad thing? Hmmm who wants to die real fast? Or be a slave? The mission of the new world order is to kill of most of the population and enslave the rest. What will happen to our freedom then hmm?

Why would they want to do that? It's never been made entirely clear. It can't be about wanting to preserve resources to maintain themselves in power perpetually, as people have sometimes argued, since surely the Elite, which would be definition be a small cabal or Clique, would have no problem securing all the resources they could possibly need, wealthy people manage to do that well enough now. If they want to enslave the peoples of the world, why kill off half your workforce first?

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:59 AM

I think they have tried this in the past many times and failed.
Hitler wanted  new world order and wanted world domination.

And every year they have another ENd of the world..
or doomsdays conspiracy.
all which never come to pass and are false by the way!

Let's put it this way the more you think about or fear and NWO..
or think about occult groups like Illuminati in black robes chanting demonic
spells in a dark room... the more power you give them...

They feed on fear...
demons feed on fear...

What they don't want you to know is you have the power with your thoughts will
to forge your own destiny.

They use things like fear... bible prophecy..
to gain mind control
and make you think you can't rise to greatness.

When in fact the power is withhin you.
You are writing the story.. you will make history.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

Depends on how you define a new world order. One could argue that human expansion out of africa or colonialization from europe during the industrial revolution was a new world order.  There is always going to be powerful people at the top of any system, whether it be a global banking network or a hippy commune. A lot of people don't ever get to see the higher echelons of the worlds banking and political system so it's easy game for conspiracy theorists.

We live in a global community. There's no escaping that. We have been in a New World Order, in a way, for a long time. Travel the world and pretty much anywhere you go, you will find a petrol pump, ATM and coke machine. Villages turn into cities, turn into states, into countries, into economic regions, into international policy. Try de-constructing that system and going against a new order. It would be chaos. Executive level leaders and bankers will rig the system because they can. A local shop keeper will rig his shop prices because he can. Someone will download something for free from the internet because they can. Life goes not where it should but where it can.

Life is not always fair whether you're at the top or bottom. I don't think planning can be left to chance or be as organic as many people seem to wish for. Modern countries and cities must be designed. Modern economic and social systems must be designed. Leadership structures must be designed. Much of it is extraordinarily complex so many people feed the conspiracy theories because they are simply unwilling to learn about these complex systems. It's far easier to just accept there is some sort of illuminati rather than learn about the true nature and design of international geopolitics.

The difference is at the very top - the highest orders of leadership, management and planning - are a lot of very boring meetings.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 03:48 PM

View PostLesionia, on 18 July 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:


This is classic. The mainstream media distracts you with social issues and things like the Trayvon Martin case, so you can't see what their really doing. As you can see, it works very well on the masses....


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 04:45 PM

The media isn't trying to distract us, they are giving us what we have told them we wanted which is "infotainment". All of the large news outlets have long used focus groups to find out what we want and they give it right to us. Ratings being how they are show they are correct. The salacious, the horrific, the gruesome all sell commercial time not facts, truth or real information.

As for the NWO as I have said before given if all of it is true, every facet of the NWO conspiracy, what can the average person do that would have any effect on it? You have Alex Jones with a large number of listeners, you have the internet with plenty of websites offering their "evidence" or insight into the NWO existence and nefarious plans. Given all that plenty of people seem to know about it but aren't moved beyond "knowing".

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:21 AM

Churche and the other families have dodged the elite for years. They are very resourceful.
And individuals may not be able to do much, but when individuals come together it makes a group correct? So maybe lots of people like AMERICANS who are supposed to be known for their bravery, honor, and never surrender can do something even quite a bit of somethings. (Honestly Im sick of all the killing and false wars)

and uhm I never said my freedom was bad- I only meant that we really wouldn't have freedom or human rights. (which is being taken away "to protect ourselves")

"What will happen to our freedom then hmm?" -me earlier

"And your freedom now is bad how? What kind of freedom do you long for?"


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:33 PM

View PostLesionia, on 19 July 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

Churche and the other families have dodged the elite for years. They are very resourceful.

But I asked who they were. I have never heard of them.

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And individuals may not be able to do much, but when individuals come together it makes a group correct?

You don't Think the NWO has a contingency plan for people coming together?

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So maybe lots of people like AMERICANS who are supposed to be known for their bravery, honor, and never surrender can do something even quite a bit of somethings. (Honestly Im sick of all the killing and false wars)

Ah, now I see, the Americans have a genetic predisposition for bravery? Are we talking about John whose family have lived in America since the 1800's, or José who just received his citizenship?

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and uhm I never said my freedom was bad- I only meant that we really wouldn't have freedom or human rights. (which is being taken away "to protect ourselves")

Why would the NWO go to the trouble?


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

View PostSquidfish, on 18 July 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

Most media is in fact not controlled by the government. Else, Watergate would never have happened. Critical voices against the EU or new trade agreements or illegal immigration would never be published, let alone be made books. Yet they are. Why would they do this?

I disagree. I think the majority of major media works in cooperation with the government rather than  try and give give a truly unbiased examination of the more important issues. There are numerous examples. I think one of the big lessons from the Viet Nam war ws that you can´t have "real" journalists operating without some level of control of what information they are privy to and what can be reported.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:56 PM

Make two distinctions if you try to be serious about this.

One: most of us dont have the kind of proof to present which'd make it crystal-clear for the rest of us, obviously. To one way or another.
Two: it's entirely possible, very humanely possible and would not really be that hard to form such a world government. Look at the UN, all you needed to make that happen was to influence the public opinion. And suppress and the bad rep it's made for itself, prevent as much as you can from that dirt going mainstream news. Fringe sites can always be labeled as fringe, and you can always find a bias in everyone.

Public opinion is crucial on these things, take my country for example. Over 70 percent of us doesn't want us to be a member of NATO, though the winning political party right-wingers are more bent on that way. GMO isn't accepted widely because it's gotten bad rep. Alternative medical treatments of all kinds have gotten bad rep, quite a few earned it you can't deny that, but the rest suffered from that. If you can sell an idea and keep it's reputation from sinking and distribute it, you're all set. And if you got the money, you got the means to distribute it: movies, donate to researchers bent or willing to bend towards your view, buy politicians, encourage through promised economical benefits which may be there but that's because humans control economy system, not vice-versa.

And the biggest thing of all, sell the idea that "this is how it has to be, you can't help it, it's how we get things done" with more sophisticated words. Sell, sell, sell and numb the public.

Of course, this doesn't just apply to one world government, but any and every idea if used to promote them this way. And who's to say these ways were wrong, the world ain't a perfect place to begin with.

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