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Edgar Mitchell calls for end to UFO cover-ups


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#136    JimOberg

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 July 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Do you have links or proof to back up your claims?

Whoa. It's YOUR claims that are the subject of required proof, and citing an internet website is simply inadequate.

My claim is that the original documents cited on the pro-UFO website are inaccurately reported.

Go to the ORIGINAL documents and compare to the way they were reported and the way you were tricked into believing.

Save yourself. I can't do it for you.

You want to be an accessory after the fact to your own duping, then so be it.


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:47 PM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 July 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:


“It followed us during half of our orbit.  We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disappeared completely.  It was an engineered structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls.  The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings.  Some places had projections like small wings.  The object stayed very close to us.  We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away.”


Afanasyev commenting on a UFO sighting that occurred while en route to the Solyut 6 space station in April of 1979

http://www.gravitywa...Testimonies.htm


Another great example of your eager defense of the people who lie to you for profit. They aim at a target audience of credulous dupes, and they hold your intelligence in contempt, and you have verified that assessment.

Simple test: check out whether or not Afanasyev really went to the Solyut-6 space station in April 1979. Is ANY 'fact' in that claim actually true?

Please do that and report the results, or explain the differences between documented reality and the program's claims.

As for what he "said", you have no idea what he said, it was in Russian. All you have is what the program's scriptwriter had a narrator CLAIM that he said.

Would it shock you to learn that the original Russian account is substantially different from the bogus "translation"?

Does it make you feel smarter, to swallow these lies? Do you have to defend the liars, to defend your ego?


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:48 PM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Whoa. It's YOUR claims that are the subject of required proof, and citing an internet website is simply inadequate.

My claim is that the original documents cited on the pro-UFO website are inaccurately reported.

Go to the ORIGINAL documents and compare to the way they were reported and the way you were tricked into believing.

Save yourself. I can't do it for you.

You want to be an accessory after the fact to your own duping, then so be it.

So you are saying you have no proof of your claims?

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:53 PM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Another great example of your eager defense of the people who lie to you for profit. They aim at a target audience of credulous dupes, and they hold your intelligence in contempt, and you have verified that assessment.

Simple test: check out whether or not Afanasyev really went to the Solyut-6 space station in April 1979. Is ANY 'fact' in that claim actually true?

Please do that and report the results, or explain the differences between documented reality and the program's claims.

As for what he "said", you have no idea what he said, it was in Russian. All you have is what the program's scriptwriter had a narrator CLAIM that he said.

Would it shock you to learn that the original Russian account is substantially different from the bogus "translation"?

Does it make you feel smarter, to swallow these lies? Do you have to defend the liars, to defend your ego?

You simply have no clue what you are talking about.LOL!! Thanks for the laugh buddy! You sir are the one that seems
to have the ego problem.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:57 PM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 12:34 PM, said:

Compare this fictionalized version with direct eyewitness testimony:

Borman twice debunks UFO story
http://www.jamesober...orman.frank.pdf

Details of formation-flying with booster
http://www.jamesoberg.com/gemini7.html

Wow talk about mis-information you have there!!

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:00 PM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

BS. I'm arguing it is NOT "information", it's misinformation, and I'm providing the checkable sources to verify this, and the fact that you disclaim any responsibility for the truth or falsehood of what you published is pitiful but typical of the intellectual bankruptcy of modern ufology. Don't complain if the subject looks baffling and mysterious -- sloppy documentation and wooly thinking on the part of proponernts make it so and will keep it so forever unless somebody catches on. You wanna be first? We can help.

You are one strange entity. You should really get off your high horse because you really have no clue.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:18 PM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 July 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

Wow talk about mis-information you have there!!

If by "misinformation" you mean direct eyewitness testimony, I do not think that word means what you seem to think it means.

Borman says the "bogie UFO" is BS, who is a better authority than the guy who supposedly said it in the first place?


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:19 PM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Whoa. It's YOUR claims that are the subject of required proof, and citing an internet website is simply inadequate.

That's about all you're going to get on the internet.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:27 PM

Posted ImageJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Another great example of your eager defense of the people who lie to you for profit. They aim at a target audience of credulous dupes, and they hold your intelligence in contempt, and you have verified that assessment.

Simple test: check out whether or not Afanasyev really went to the Solyut-6 space station in April 1979. Is ANY 'fact' in that claim actually true?

Please do that and report the results, or explain the differences between documented reality and the program's claims.

As for what he "said", you have no idea what he said, it was in Russian. All you have is what the program's scriptwriter had a narrator CLAIM that he said.

Would it shock you to learn that the original Russian account is substantially different from the bogus "translation"?

Does it make you feel smarter, to swallow these lies? Do you have to defend the liars, to defend your ego?



View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 July 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

You simply have no clue what you are talking about.LOL!! Thanks for the laugh buddy! You sir are the one that seems
to have the ego problem.

Here's the original russian account: http://www.rg.ru/200.../11/kosmos.html

<<Афанасьев: Это, конечно, выдумки. Но один раз посторонний предмет длиной примерно 40 сантиметров за бортом мы действительно наблюдали. Даже засняли. В тот день от станции отстыковался грузовик "Прогресс", так что, думаю, просто что-то отлетело. Может быть, кому-то за это и попало. Не знаю>>

Compare that to the falsified translation you seem wedded to, and see how they duped you.

In another interview at http://la-femme.net/?cat=8&id=108, Afanasyev described it this way:

<<– Некоторое время в полете нас сопровождал странный объект, размер которого примерно 40 сантиметров. Объект прямоугольной формы, с небольшими защелками, словно крылышками, с отверстием по центру плавно следовал за нашим кораблем, не проявляя никакой агрессии. Попадая на свет, излучаемый нашим космическим судном, он нам был виден особенно хорошо. Нам удалось его запечатлеть и на фото, и на видеокамеру. Тут же видеосообщение было направлено нами в Центр управления полетами. К сожалению, теперь я эти кадры не могу найти. Саму пленку отдали в РКК «Энергия». Теперь, когда я делаю запрос на кадры, мне говорят: «Никакой пленки нет». Возмущаюсь: как нет! Видели втроем, все фиксировали этот факт. Но в то время нам запретили вообще об этом случае говорить… >>

That should settle the issue of which of us is reality-based and which is a helpless, clueless dupe. Don't you agree?


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:34 PM

JimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Another great example of your eager defense of the people who lie to you for profit. They aim at a target audience of credulous dupes, and they hold your intelligence in contempt, and you have verified that assessment. Simple test: check out whether or not Afanasyev really went to the Solyut-6 space station in April 1979. Is ANY 'fact' in that claim actually true?


View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 July 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

You simply have no clue what you are talking about.LOL!! Thanks for the laugh buddy! You sir are the one that seems
to have the ego problem.

You have a reality problem, every "fact" you posted about Afanasyev's flight career was counterfeit according to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia....ovich_Afanasyev


1985 to 1987 Viktor Afanasyev was taking basic space training course at the Yuri Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center on the part-time training basis. He reported to the GCTC and proceeded to advanced training in 1988. From February 1989 on Afanasyev was training for a space flight aboard the Mir orbital station as the Mir-7 mission backup crew commander.
He has logged 175 flight days during his first space flight (December 2, 1990 to May 26, 1991) as the Mir-8 mission crew commander. The mission program included joint flight with a Japanese and British crewmember. He performed 4 EVAs totaling 20 hours and 55 minutes.
January 8 to July 9, 1994, Afanasyev was participating in a space flight aboard the Soyuz-TM-18 transport vehicle and Mir orbital station as the Mir-15 mission crew commander.
October 1996 to January 1998 Afanasyev was training for the Mir-25 mission as a backup crew commander. The mission was supposed to include NASA-7 and Pegasus (CNES) programs.
From March 1998 he underwent training as the Mir-27 mission primary crew commander. February 20 to August 28, 1999, he was participating in a 189-day space flight aboard the Soyuz-TM transport vehicle and Mir orbital station. He has performed 3 EVAs.


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 04:45 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

If by "misinformation" you mean direct eyewitness testimony, I do not think that word means what you seem to think it means.

Borman says the "bogie UFO" is BS, who is a better authority than the guy who supposedly said it in the first place?

And who paid him or threatened him to say that? You know there is a government cover up right?

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 04:48 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

JimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Another great example of your eager defense of the people who lie to you for profit. They aim at a target audience of credulous dupes, and they hold your intelligence in contempt, and you have verified that assessment. Simple test: check out whether or not Afanasyev really went to the Solyut-6 space station in April 1979. Is ANY 'fact' in that claim actually true?




You have a reality problem, every "fact" you posted about Afanasyev's flight career was counterfeit according to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia....ovich_Afanasyev


1985 to 1987 Viktor Afanasyev was taking basic space training course at the Yuri Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center on the part-time training basis. He reported to the GCTC and proceeded to advanced training in 1988. From February 1989 on Afanasyev was training for a space flight aboard the Mir orbital station as the Mir-7 mission backup crew commander.
He has logged 175 flight days during his first space flight (December 2, 1990 to May 26, 1991) as the Mir-8 mission crew commander. The mission program included joint flight with a Japanese and British crewmember. He performed 4 EVAs totaling 20 hours and 55 minutes.
January 8 to July 9, 1994, Afanasyev was participating in a space flight aboard the Soyuz-TM-18 transport vehicle and Mir orbital station as the Mir-15 mission crew commander.
October 1996 to January 1998 Afanasyev was training for the Mir-25 mission as a backup crew commander. The mission was supposed to include NASA-7 and Pegasus (CNES) programs.
From March 1998 he underwent training as the Mir-27 mission primary crew commander. February 20 to August 28, 1999, he was participating in a 189-day space flight aboard the Soyuz-TM transport vehicle and Mir orbital station. He has performed 3 EVAs.

And you are quoting Wikipedia !!!!! Come on buddy!! LOL!!! You might as well quote the Bible and say that is the truth!

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 04:55 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Posted ImageJimOberg, on 26 July 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Another great example of your eager defense of the people who lie to you for profit. They aim at a target audience of credulous dupes, and they hold your intelligence in contempt, and you have verified that assessment.

Simple test: check out whether or not Afanasyev really went to the Solyut-6 space station in April 1979. Is ANY 'fact' in that claim actually true?

Please do that and report the results, or explain the differences between documented reality and the program's claims.

As for what he "said", you have no idea what he said, it was in Russian. All you have is what the program's scriptwriter had a narrator CLAIM that he said.

Would it shock you to learn that the original Russian account is substantially different from the bogus "translation"?

Does it make you feel smarter, to swallow these lies? Do you have to defend the liars, to defend your ego?





Here's the original russian account: http://www.rg.ru/200.../11/kosmos.html

<<Афанасьев: Это, конечно, выдумки. Но один раз посторонний предмет длиной примерно 40 сантиметров за бортом мы действительно наблюдали. Даже засняли. В тот день от станции отстыковался грузовик "Прогресс", так что, думаю, просто что-то отлетело. Может быть, кому-то за это и попало. Не знаю>>

Compare that to the falsified translation you seem wedded to, and see how they duped you.

In another interview at http://la-femme.net/?cat=8&id=108, Afanasyev described it this way:

<<– Некоторое время в полете нас сопровождал странный объект, размер которого примерно 40 сантиметров. Объект прямоугольной формы, с небольшими защелками, словно крылышками, с отверстием по центру плавно следовал за нашим кораблем, не проявляя никакой агрессии. Попадая на свет, излучаемый нашим космическим судном, он нам был виден особенно хорошо. Нам удалось его запечатлеть и на фото, и на видеокамеру. Тут же видеосообщение было направлено нами в Центр управления полетами. К сожалению, теперь я эти кадры не могу найти. Саму пленку отдали в РКК «Энергия». Теперь, когда я делаю запрос на кадры, мне говорят: «Никакой пленки нет». Возмущаюсь: как нет! Видели втроем, все фиксировали этот факт. Но в то время нам запретили вообще об этом случае говорить… >>

That should settle the issue of which of us is reality-based and which is a helpless, clueless dupe. Don't you agree?

You know as well as I know anybody could have posted that information you have from the link. I don't consider that evidence. Calling me
names isn't going to help your case also. It just makes you look ignorant. Furthermore from everything that you posted it seems you are
very ignorant to any real facts.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 05:17 AM

This article had been read and approved

by Dr Wolf before his death


American scientist Dr Michael Wolf claimed he was a member of the satellite government for over 25 years. He attained a very high 'Above Top Secret' clearance level and worked primarily on joint ET/human scientific projects.

He died on September 18th, 2000 from cancer after a long period of ill-health.


DR MICHAEL WOLF CLAIMED THAT:


  • The first US crash/retrieval of an ET craft occurred during 1941 in the ocean west of San Diego. Retrieved by the navy, dead Zeta Reticulans, alias the 'Greys', were found inside. Craft and bodies were taken to the Foreign Technology Section at Wright-Patterson Airforce base in Dayton, Ohio, and studied by the Retfours Special Studies Group. After dismantling the craft parts were sent to S4 and Indian Springs in Nevada. This craft crashed due to the recently invented pulse radar being tested on the nearby Tinian island, located three miles south/south west of Saipan. The US navy has held a leadership position in UFO matters since.


  • The Roswell Crash during July 1947 did happen and that the account in Colonel Corso's book 'The Day after Roswell' is accurate. Dr Wolf had, in his possession, the official satellite government ET crash/retrieval list and while others occurred between 1941 and '47 he was not willing to offer examples.


  • Two craft crashed at Roswell after colliding with each other during an electrical storm. One contained 'Greys' the other 'Orange' ETs - both named due to the color of their skin. The 'Orange' types come from the Andromeda star system. The Santilli autopsy film is genuine - Dr Wolf had seen other similar footage - and is an autopsy of an 'Orange' ET. There were two different autopsies being carried out on two different ET beings during the same period - hence the confusion.


  • The autopsy on the 'Orange' ET revealed that it had a very large head; big dark eyes with no irises or whites; six digits on hands and feet; the brain has four lobes; is more developed and connected with no corpus callosum; different optic orbs and nerves; and a sponge like digestive system. Dr Wolf said he'd met one alive.


  • There are different types of 'Greys'. He worked alongside highly evolved ones which had, contrary to present opinion, personalities and even a sense of humor. Dr Wolf never met a 'Grey' whom he disliked. To him they were family. These 'Greys' enjoyed hugging and kissing humans. This upset some of his colleagues. One nicknamed them 'kissey facey'. Their smooth and soft bodies feel like dolphin skin to touch. He communicated with these ETs through telepathy. Dr Wolf became especially friendly with one called Kolta. A picture of this 'Grey' is on the front cover of his book - an actual photograph taken by an admiral friend.


  • There is active trading between the 'Greys' and 'Oranges'. Dr Wolf said,


    • "Trading has a different meaning for ETs. They share knowledge like technology and philosophy and send their people to each other's planet to learn the culture."


  • He had conversed with human looking ETs from the Pleiades and Altair star systems - nicknamed the Nordics and Semitics. Dr Wolf explained they are very spiritual people and act more as galactic counselors. A photograph of a Pleiadian friend called Sa Ra adorns the back cover of his book.


  • On May 1st, 1975, a 'little misunderstanding' occurred between the 'Greys' and humans at S4. During a demonstration of a small anti-matter reactor the head ET asked the guards, Blue Beret soldiers, to remove their rifles and bullets from the room. A safety precaution so these weapons wouldn't accidentally discharge during the energy emissions. The guards refused and in the ensuing commotion a Blue Beret opened fire and killed a 'Grey'. Two scientists and 41 military personnel were then terminated. One guard was allowed to live - testifying that the 'Greys' used a form of directed mental energy at them in self defense.


  • A number of the scientists presently working for the satellite government were abducted when children by the 'Greys' so their intelligence and general brain capacity could be increased in preparation for the work ahead. They are hybrids.


  • His first major assignment was working alongside Carl Sagan and other top scientists - their job to understand the intricacies of a huge ET beacon dubbed The Monolith - first discovered floating out in space by Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin and American Alan Shephard during 1961. It was eventually brought back for investigation in 1972. Dr Wolf described it as 'postcards from the rim'. The Monolith emits both light and tone signals along with a mathematical language

Read more of this article:

http://www.bibliotec...ol_mj12_4_1.htm



Edited by Truthseeker007, 27 July 2013 - 05:19 AM.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 05:29 AM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 July 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

So you are saying you have no proof of your claims?

It is funny you mention that.  Because throughout this entire topic, Oberg has been dismissing others because they have no proof and yet he has no proof himself.  He has also been saying witnesses are not credible but when you gave direct links to what is historically known he posts an eyewitness account of what he claims really happened.  So he dismisses witnesses that claim to have knowledge on the UFO subject but when confronted with actual evidence he gives the skeptic witnesses the benefit of the doubt.  Which is quite ironic because you cannot have it both ways you either believe witnesses can be taken at their words or not.  Debunkers have always had this double standard mentality when it comes to ufology and it is very telling of their intolerance of opposing viewpoints.

Like I said before, I would much rather believe in the opinion of someone with the credentials and background of a former astronaut from NASA no less than I had to believe in a debunker who is only operating on assumption and ego.  Because this whole thing has pretty much boiled down to what each person believes or does not believe which cannot be proven nor disproven because opinions are subjective to each individual person.  History has shown us that there is something going on in regards to the UFO topic and something that we should be taking quite seriously because governments and NASA clearly have for decades.  Choosing to ignore that basic fact is quite oblivious and ignorant.

There is a grain of truth in every conspiracy known to man, you just have to be intelligent enough to find it.




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