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#1    Jennifer_P

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:16 PM

Thoughts? Guilty? Innocent?
https://en.wikipedia...t_Memphis_Three
Personally, i think they are innocent. There was a guy called "The Bojangles Man" who went into the Bojangles restraunt muddy and all bloody, on the night of the murder. Then there is Terry Hobbs. Stevies step father, there is a ton of lies he has told to cops and investigators, like him not seeing the boys that night, when infact he did.
So what are your thoughts?


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 08:23 PM

Apart from innocent people having been put to death, the West Memphis Three case is the worst case of wrongful conviction I've ever heard of and likely, ever will hear of.

Those witnesses- who a decade and a half later claimed that the boys were actually playing in their back yard and were called back home by Hobbs- can't be believed because it was common knowledge by anyone and everyone at the time that those little boys were last seen by the mother of one of them headed north on 14th Street at about 6:00 pm.
If those witnesses had seen those boys later- at about 6:30 and in what would have been the opposite direction of what they were reported by the mother- then they would have told somebody at the time!
Their excuse is that they didn't know that Hobbs had denied seeing the boys that day. Well, maybe they didn't know that he'd denied seeing them, but if what they claim was true, then they'd have certainly known that it wasn't the mother who last saw them and that 6:00 pm wasn't the last sighting!)
I completely discount that particular 'evidence' against Hobbs.
I'm aware of the "consistent hair", but Hobbs and Jacoby were together off and on throughout that evening, and so Hobbs doesn't appear to me to have had the opportunity to have committed the murders, let alone have a motive to kill three children.

Re: "Bojangles", that was a very odd occurrence that within a mile of the discovery site that a person wandered- muddy and disoriented- into the restaurant within that time period.
The police finally got around to collecting blood and other evidence from the restaurant's restroom sometime the next day but then promptly lost what they'd collected.
Of interest, there was a negroid hair (never identified) collected from one of the sheets which covered one of the bodies.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 09:59 PM

I'm confused if you find them innocent or not.
But yeah as for Terry Hobbs, I think John Mark Byers was trying to make him seem guilty. It is suspicious that Terry doesn't have an alibi but based on what you said alone, its not likley he commited the crime. I don't think any of the parents are guilty. I think its just hersay due to John Mark Byers fued with Damien, and John Mark wanting to point the finger. Damien apologized to JMB. Though that is a heck of a conicidence of the bojangles man. I don't know who the real killer is but i think it was the bojangles man. As far as one of them being casterated, it makes me wonder if it wasn't a pedophile

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 10:05 PM

Taken from Wiki

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"Mr. Bojangles" The sighting of a black male as a possible alternate
suspect was implied during the beginning of the
Misskelley trial. According to local West Memphis police
officers, on the evening of May 5, 1993, at 8:42 pm,
workers in the Bojangles' restaurant about a mile from the crime scene in Robin Hood Hills reported seeing a
black male who seemed "mentally disoriented" inside
the ladies' room of the restaurant. The man was
bleeding and had brushed against the walls of the
restroom. Officer Regina Meeks responded to the call,
taking the restaurant manager's report through the restaurant's drive-through window. By then, the man had left and police did not enter the restroom on that date. [22] The following day after the victims' bodies were found,
Bojangles' manager Marty King, thinking there was a
possible connection to the bloody man found in the
bathroom, reported the incident to police officers who
then inspected the ladies room. King gave the officers a
pair of sunglasses he thought the man left behind and the detectives took some blood samples from the walls.
Police detective Bryn Ridge testified that he later lost
those blood scrapings taken from the walls and tiles of
the restroom. A hair identified as belonging to a black
male was later recovered from a sheet which was used to wrap one of the victims.



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:33 PM

View PostJennifer_P, on 18 July 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:

I'm confused if you find them innocent or not.
But yeah as for Terry Hobbs, I think John Mark Byers was trying to make him seem guilty. It is suspicious that Terry doesn't have an alibi but based on what you said alone, its not likley he commited the crime. I don't think any of the parents are guilty. I think its just hersay due to John Mark Byers fued with Damien, and John Mark wanting to point the finger. Damien apologized to JMB. Though that is a heck of a conicidence of the bojangles man. I don't know who the real killer is but i think it was the bojangles man. As far as one of them being casterated, it makes me wonder if it wasn't a pedophile

I'm familiar with this case having studied it exclusively and intensely for over two years and there's not a doubt in my mind but that the West Memphis Three are innocent.
If there's one single case I'd like to see solved, it's this one.

I don't understand why Byers would point the finger at Hobbs and Jacoby, especially after he himself was on the receiving end of the same finger pointing for over a decade.
Echols used to say he wouldn't finger point, but he's apparently changed his mind. Misskelley has been quiet, but Baldwin has not pointed the finger because he said that's what was done to him.

The wounds to the bodies had originally been misinterpreted by the ME.
Animal predation accounts for what was thought at the time to have been castration by a knife. Other wounds on the bodies (gouges and scratches) have also been determined to be attributed to animal predation and not a knife
(The bodies were submerged for up to 17 hours before discovery.
The boys were last seen at 6:00 pm and their bodies were discovered the following day at about 1:00 pm in a water filled ravine which drained into the Ten Mile Bayou.)

FYI, there's a movie based on Mara Leveritts book about the case, Devil's Knot, that should be due out maybe later this year.
I missed the new documentary, West of Memphis, and I hope it will be released onto DVD.
There are three other documentaries on the case: Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills, Revelations, and Purgatory. (I know the first one is avail. online.)
There's also another book on the case, Blood of Innocents, but I haven't read it.

There's case documents available online at
http://www.callahan.8k.com


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:59 PM

I've been studying this case as well. Omg i am so excited for Devil's Knot. Yeah, i never got why Damien did that.
Is the Devils Knot going to be relased straight to dvd? I agree with you as well, why would JMB point the finger as well? Now don't get me wrong, i like Damien, but this whole finger pointing this with 2 adults is really childish. However he did say he was sorry and wrote JMB a note. Now JMB believes the WM3 are innocent but he's pointing the finger. I own Devil's Knot, and Life after Death. My husband hated those books because i never put them down, besides when i was working or doing house chores. Haha, good reads though. I haven't read BOTI either but i'm getting it for Christmas for myself.
I wonder whatever happened to Damien's baby momma (I can't think of her name) and Seth.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:34 AM

Yeah, I read Life After Death, but I was disappointed with it.

Re: Damien's finger pointing, I was referring to now, not back in the beginning.
His finger pointing of Hobbs is something I wouldn't have expected because he'd said he wouldn't.

As far as the movie Devil's Knot, I'm under the impression that it'll be released in theaters.

Domini is Seth's mother's name, and I know that Damien and Seth have visited through the years before and after his release.
From what I understand, Domini and Seth had moved from West Memphis to out of state many, many years ago, and as far as I know, continue to live out of state.

I stumbled across this case in 2010 very incidentally, and I was immediately hooked. I soon found myself completely enthralled. Ok, I was obsessed, absolutely obsessed, and believe me, it didn't go unnoticed. :lol:

Edited by regi, 19 July 2013 - 12:36 AM.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:44 AM

I'm obsessed too. Haha!
That too, i forgot for a second he was blaming Hobbs. Kinda childish. I like Damien, alot, but his finger pointing annoys me. If Hobbs really killed those kids he would of been convicted. Sweet! I am thrilled. Lol watch it be limited release.  I always thought Seth didn't see Damien after his relase  for some reason. Like Domini just kept Seth from him. It had to be so hard for her to explain to Seth why his dad was in jail. "Your dad is in jail because cops are crooked, and they think he killed 3 little boys" how do you explain something like that? Omg, i have something to look forward to know. i am beyond excited for Devil's Knot. I'm really obsessed to, to the point i want to become a cold case investigator and open it back up. Haha!


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 05:09 PM

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:48 PM




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Posted 30 July 2013 - 04:59 PM

All I know about this case is that I watched the first Paradise Lost movie and felt like these guys were definitely wronged.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 08:52 PM

View PostMysticStrummer, on 30 July 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

All I know about this case is that I watched the first Paradise Lost movie and felt like these guys were definitely wronged.
Same here, and I still think the bojangles man did it. Too odd of a concidence.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 05:14 PM

cmon , it had to be bojangles


Bojangles description (summary from police log notes and 5/6 report):  
  •         Late 20's.  
  •         5'11
  • Thin
  •         Blue cast with white Velcro on his right arm.
  • Blue denim sleeveless shirt
  •         Black shoes
  •         Black thin warm up pants.
  •         Disoriented, bleeding.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 07:08 PM

I've been following this story of the West Memphis Three for almost 16 years now and to be 100% honest, at first I didn't think the kids did it. I was in full support of them, I was a young teenager myself like they were at the time, I was into the same music, and weird world they were in at the time. I thought they were cool, I wanted to be like them, and I believed in their innocence. But after years upon years of serious research, from being obsessed with this story I finally have come to the conclusion that I think they are 100% guilty. The evidence is uncanny when you look at it, especially Damien's hospital records from East Arkansas Regional Mental Health Center. It has guilty written all over it, plus his obsession with Aleister Crowley.

You might think this to be meaningless, and unrelated but if you look into this deeper, it all and I mean every single bit of it has a very deep, twistid deep meaning to all of this. Please forgive me but I really don't feel like spending countless hours on UM explaining this, but please if you haven't looked into this case further than what the media, and the people in HBO and Hollywood have made it, then you need to take a second look a long, very long second look.

I wished I felt the boys were innocent again, I really do, because like I said, I kind of looked up to them. This story was sensationalized and dumbed down by something deeper and darker than any of us can even imagine, and I'm not one to believe in evil spirit forces at work, but here late in my life my eyes are open more. Whether all this Illuminati, devilistic **** is real or not, there definitely are people who do believe in it, and seem to be making some things prophetic.
I mean Jason Baldwin seems like a completely changed man, he looks and is doing great, he's always smiling he's very productive in his current life. I'd love to think he were innocent, because innocent or guilty he seems like a changed man. Damien Echols on the other hand though he is doing great as well, still seems like he has dark secrets like he's hiding something. He seems to be missing something even in interviews he just has this melancholy about him that he has always had since he was a teenager, not to mention his narcissism and over confidence of control.
Jesse Misskelley however, is a complete recluse now and has always maintained his story that they were guilty. Even after he was found guilty, he told his lawyers time and time again he just needed to get it off his chest, he asked to speak to priest because he wanted his soul set free. Why would he do this after all the years being locked up? And of course he's going to want out of prison, so yes he accepted the deal "who wouldn't want out even if you did do it"? You would have to be crazy to want to stay locked up for life. And people should sit back and ask themselves why Jesse hasn't been in the countless interviews as Damien and Jason? Why hasn't Jesse pursued the millions upon millions of dollars as Jason and Damien have? Why is he sitting back in his hometown locked up in a house with his father poor and quite? Is it because no one wants Jesse to spill the beans again, and stir up controversy? I'm not sure myself, but you can't deny that it is very unusual, I don't care what his IQ is. If anything an amateur writer/journalist could write his story for him and he could reap thousands upon thousands and never have to worry a day in his life.
As far as my knowledge about Jesse, I think he has a story to tell, but chooses to keep quite. Could be out of fear of being locked up again even though that would be impossible because you can't be tried twice for the same offense. Could be out of fear of his life? It could be out of respect for Jason, and Damien to not ruin their lives, in understanding that eventually they will have to come to terms like he did. We could speculate all day, but it won't get us anywhere. Don't you find it odd though?

Like I said there are darker forces at work here spiritual or not there are darker forces at work. There is a deeper meaning to this, the evidence is all around, you just have to look for it. The cops had it right the first time, and they all still firmly believe the WM3 did it, the media tried to blame Byers and that failed, then they tried to blame Hobbs then that failed, now they are blaming bo'Jangles. How convenient? Of course someone has to take the blame, but notice how no one knows who bo'jangles even is!

Look I'll say it one last time, I'd give anything to believe the WM3 didn't do it, in fact if it were anything else but children I'd still support them, even if they murdered 3 adults I wouldn't care as much. But it's just the fact that it's children, that's the cruelest thing someone can do. And I honestly think that Jason was more of Damien's pawn. The friend who would do anything to impress his friend, trust me I've been there, I've had friends who have been there, I was young once, and I've seen some sick **** in my life. Jesse was just the lonely kid, who wanted to be part of the group. I've seen that too in groups. They fail to mention about the whiskey bottle that Jesse threw a few yards from where the bodies were found, also the necklace that belonged to Jason with blood on it that matched one the children's blood type. And I know people will say well in 2007 they found that there was no DNA evidence that suggested that the boys were there at the scene. Look up DNA evidence, the normal everyday person doesn't recognize this stuff they would never get it, but only what they have been fed.

And unfortunately we have all been fed lies. :/  See for yourself, take a second look.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 07:36 PM

And one of the biggest things you will hear people say is why did Byers point the finger at Hobb's when they blamed him at first? Why is everyone pointing fingers at people? It's a diversion tactic to distract and confuse people.

Do you guys really want to know what this is all about? Every single one of them from Byers on up SOLD THEIR SOULS FOR MONEY! Except Jesse... And who knows that's yet to be determined. This stuffs real man, I'm telling you Hollywood, Satanism, MKULTRA, Disney, the Illuminati, Freemasons, Fema Camps and mass coffins, Depopulation. It's all true. Like I said I don't know if spiritual forces exist, but I do believe that people are trying to bring prophecy to fruition. Aleister Crowley revolutionized the world and his influence is strong in Hollywood and in media propaganda. Whether you believe it or not, these people believe in magick, and summoning spirits or demons if you will.

Now go ahead and call me a quack, I'm ready. Throw your stones! Fire at will! :) no seriously please do.

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