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#1    misty55

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 08:50 PM

He makes some good points



https://www.youtube....h?v=gFeey0L6Ea8

Edited by misty55, 18 July 2013 - 08:51 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 08:57 PM

View Postmisty55, on 18 July 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

He makes some good points



https://www.youtube....h?v=gFeey0L6Ea8

I just watched this. Larry Elder hits the nail on the head. You go Larry! :clap:


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 09:22 PM

Hell yeah! Someone who actually cares about his community, instead of caring about making them mad.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:43 AM

Well put by Larry Elder.

Piers Morgan was really getting under my skin with his dodging of the discussion with more of the pity party for the uneducated woman that testified against George Zimmerman for Trayvon Martin.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:07 PM

Thought this story was very relevant to this thread:


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In the aftermath of the acquittal of George Zimmerman, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton and Ben Jealous of the NAACP are calling on the black community to rise up in national protest.

Yet they know — and Barack Obama, whose silence speaks volumes, knows — nothing is going to happen.

"Stand-Your-Ground" laws in Florida and other states are not going to be repealed. George Zimmerman is not going to be prosecuted for a federal "hate crime" in the death of Trayvon Martin.

The result of all this ginned-up rage that has produced vandalism and violence is simply going to be an ever-deepening racial divide.

Consider the matter of crime and fear of crime.

From listening to cable channels and hearing Holder, Sharpton, Jealous and others, one would think the great threat to black children today emanates from white vigilantes and white cops.

Hence, every black father must have a "conversation" with his son, warning him not to resist or run if pulled over or hassled by a cop.

Make the wrong move, son, and you may be dead is the implication.

But is this the reality in Black America?

When Holder delivered his 2009 "nation-of-cowards" speech blaming racism for racial separation, Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald suggested that our attorney general study his crime statistics.

In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.

New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald's facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

And these may involve the kind of pat-downs all of us have had at the airport.

Is stop-and-frisk the work of racist cops in New York, where the crime rate has been driven down to levels unseen in decades?

According to Kelly, a majority of his police force, which he has been able to cut from 41,000 officers to 35,000, is now made up of minorities.

But blacks are also, per capita, the principal victims of crime. Would black fathers prefer their sons to grow up in Chicago, rather than low-crime New York City, with its stop-and-frisk policy?

Fernando Mateo, head of the New York taxicab union, urges his drivers to profile blacks and Hispanics for their own safety: "The God's honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these drivers are blacks and Hispanics."

Mateo is what The New York Times would describe as "a black Hispanic" Yet he may be closer to the 'hood than Holder, who says he was stopped by police when running to a movie — in Georgetown.

Which raises a relevant question. Georgetown is an elitist enclave of a national capital that has been ruled by black mayors for half a century. It's never had a white mayor.

Is Holder saying we've got racist cops in the district where Obama carried 86 percent of the white vote and 97 percent of the black vote? And his son should fear the white cops in Washington, D.C.?

What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?

After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

If interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism, what does this tell us about where racism really resides — in America?

And if the FBI stats for 2007 represent an average year since the Tawana Brawley rape-hoax of 1987, over one-third of a million white women have been sexually assaulted by black males since 1987 — with no visible protest from the civil rights leadership.

Today, 73 percent of all black kids are born out of wedlock. Growing up, these kids drop out, use drugs, are unemployed, commit crimes and are incarcerated at many times the rate of Asians and whites — or Hispanics, who are taking the jobs that used to go to young black Americans.

Are white vigilantes or white cops really Black America's problem?




Link: http://news.yahoo.co...-070000529.html


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:23 PM

Black America's Real Problem Isn't White Racism

When Holder delivered his 2009 "nation-of-cowards" speech blaming racism for racial separation, Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald suggested that our attorney general study his crime statistics.
In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.
New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald's facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

RESIDENT TROLL.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:41 PM

View PostKowalski, on 19 July 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Thought this story was very relevant to this thread:





Link: http://news.yahoo.co...-070000529.html

Zimmerman's lawyers didn't use the "Stand Your Ground" law in his defense. His defense was based on something much older, Self-Defense. I believe every state in the country allows a person to defend themselves if attacked. "Stand Your Ground" never entered into this case.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:02 PM

View PostBama13, on 19 July 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Zimmerman's lawyers didn't use the "Stand Your Ground" law in his defense. His defense was based on something much older, Self-Defense. I believe every state in the country allows a person to defend themselves if attacked. "Stand Your Ground" never entered into this case.

Oh, I know that. It was self defense.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostKowalski, on 19 July 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Oh, I know that. It was self defense.

Well, in a sense yes.

From what I can make out from the information that I've read is that George Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, a fight ensued and Zimmerman was getting whooped, so he shot this boy. I don't really consider that self defense. This would be like me carrying a gun, picking fights with people, and if any of these people ever start to get the best of me in a fight, I shoot them.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:07 PM

View PostUgly1, on 19 July 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

Well, in a sense yes.

From what I can make out from the information that I've read is that George Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, a fight ensued and Zimmerman was getting whooped, so he shot this boy. I don't really consider that self defense. This would be like me carrying a gun, picking fights with people, and if any of these people ever start to get the best of me in a fight, I shoot them.

Except that Zimmermen did not confront Martin, Martin confronted Zimmerman. Zimmerman followed Martin. Martin turned around and approached Zimmerman. Martin asked if Zimmerman had a problem. Zimmerman said no. Martin said you do now and assualted him. How is that not self-defense? The jury thought it was.

" Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything —you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him" - Robert Heinlein

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:21 PM

Did anyone see this:

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The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, president of the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny (BOND), a conservative nonprofit, made some contentious statements on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight” on Thursday. In addition to lambasting Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for inserting race into Trayvon Martin’s death and George Zimmerman’s subsequent trial, he called the 17-year-old shooting victim a “thug.”

The exchange began with Peterson claiming that race played no role in the highly-publicized tragedy.
“This case was not about race at all and what happened –  you have the race-hustlers and poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and others who turned it into a race issue in order to gain power and wealth,” he charged.
Peterson also targeted President Barack Obama, calling his past comment about Martin (“You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon”) “insane.”
These statements, he said, were intended to “incite the anger of black Americans and others.”

Link: http://www.theblaze....-martin-a-thug/

Edited by Kowalski, 19 July 2013 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:25 PM

View PostKowalski, on 19 July 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Did anyone see this:



Link: http://www.theblaze....-martin-a-thug/

Well, Trayvon Martin was still a kid. That is what is the tragedy. While he may have been on the path to becoming a thug, that does not mean that he would have ended up that way as a grown man. We will never know.
Regarding how the confrontation happened, from what I watched in the prosecution news report they said Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot. I will not pretend to know any other details of this case because I did not research into it at all to find any more truths. This case is a tragedy.
I do agree with these men stating that Rev. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just vultures trying to make money off of the poor by starting a race feud. It is tragic that people actually think this is a matter of national attention when there are much more tragic events happening all across the United States, much less the globe. If you want this to be a white and black thing, you can take that last sentence and add "with black people".


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:43 PM

View PostUgly1, on 19 July 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

Well, Trayvon Martin was still a kid. That is what is the tragedy. While he may have been on the path to becoming a thug, that does not mean that he would have ended up that way as a grown man. We will never know.

Well yes, for example, I have heard of many teens who were bad gits, but later changed as grown men... Some did this from help of others, and some found God.. Either way, they proved they could change...

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:55 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 19 July 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

Well yes, for example, I have heard of many teens who were bad gits, but later changed as grown men... Some did this from help of others, and some found God.. Either way, they proved they could change...

Yup! That is so true. There is not one person that could convince me that Trayvon was the fully mature black man that he had the potential of becoming in the years to come. Being that he is reported to have been fascinated with a thug lifestyle, we can obviously assume he had not become that mature man as of yet.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:56 PM

View PostUgly1, on 19 July 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

This case is a tragedy.
I do agree with these men stating that Rev. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just vultures trying to make money off of the poor by starting a race feud. It is tragic that people actually think this is a matter of national attention when there are much more tragic events happening all across the United States, much less the globe.

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