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#556    Yamato

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 07:14 PM

View Postand then, on 19 October 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

http://law.justia.co...14/15-5-30.html
No arrest must be made to validate the requirement so "reasonable suspicion" is pretty much whatever they say it is.
whom he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed or is about to commit a felony or other public offense

What the bloody hell kind of felony or public offense is driving your car down the road?

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:13 PM

The crickets are deafening.

And that's because simply "being" in time and space is not a legitimate reason for suspicion of being a criminal.   As if this even needs to be said.  

And yet, it does, here on this forum at least.   Just looking at the ratings for the videos presented here for discussion and reading the comments underneath, Youtube subscribers are far more cognizant of their rights and the rule of law than the mindless victims on this site all ready to bend over in front of the Man for whatever the stupid reason or no reason at all.   All the partisan chatter on this board is proof enough of that.  People who know their rights and actually defend them aren't the ones to care about the power of one party or the other; they're more evolved than that.   They're smarter than that.   I didn't expect foreigners to know US law half as well as I did, and I wasn't surprised, but the behavior on display here until the discussion evolved enough for the facts to get out was regrettable.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:32 PM

Youtube commentors, the bastions of cognizant thought

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:35 PM

View PostYamato, on 20 October 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

The crickets are deafening.

And that's because simply "being" in time and space is not a legitimate reason for suspicion of being a criminal.   As if this even needs to be said.  

And yet, it does, here on this forum at least.   Just looking at the ratings for the videos presented here for discussion and reading the comments underneath, Youtube subscribers are far more cognizant of their rights and the rule of law than the mindless victims on this site all ready to bend over in front of the Man for whatever the stupid reason or no reason at all.   All the partisan chatter on this board is proof enough of that.  People who know their rights and actually defend them aren't the ones to care about the power of one party or the other; they're more evolved than that.   They're smarter than that.   I didn't expect foreigners to know US law half as well as I did, and I wasn't surprised, but the behavior on display here until the discussion evolved enough for the facts to get out was regrettable.
Holy cow, Youtube comments as a measure of democracy? Please, the totalitarian One World Government can't come quickly enough if that's the case.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:36 PM

View PostYamato, on 20 October 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

    I didn't expect foreigners to know US law half as well as I did, and I wasn't surprised, but the behavior on display here until the discussion evolved enough for the facts to get out was regrettable.
You mean people not agreeing with you?

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:40 PM

View PostYamato, on 20 October 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

The crickets are deafening.

And that's because simply "being" in time and space is not a legitimate reason for suspicion of being a criminal.   As if this even needs to be said.  

And yet, it does, here on this forum at least.   Just looking at the ratings for the videos presented here for discussion and reading the comments underneath, Youtube subscribers are far more cognizant of their rights and the rule of law than the mindless victims on this site all ready to bend over in front of the Man for whatever the stupid reason or no reason at all.   All the partisan chatter on this board is proof enough of that.  People who know their rights and actually defend them aren't the ones to care about the power of one party or the other; they're more evolved than that.   They're smarter than that.   I didn't expect foreigners to know US law half as well as I did, and I wasn't surprised, but the behavior on display here until the discussion evolved enough for the facts to get out was regrettable.

That's because most people don't care about their rights until their taken away....Then it's too late....

Not to get off topic but....
Speaking of rights, yesterday there as a huge Open Carry Rally at the Alamo. I watched it live on ustream, and there were a lot of people there...Really awesome....

Link: http://news.yahoo.co...tml?.tsrc=attmp

Link: http://www.texastrib...un-restriction/


How cool is that?  :)


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:42 PM

Is it legal to carry on government owned property like the Alamo in Texas or is it privately owned and I'm just off?

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:48 PM

View PostSkepticalB, on 20 October 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Is it legal to carry on government owned property like the Alamo in Texas or is it privately owned and I'm just off?

The Alamo is owned by the state and operated by the Daughters of the Republic of Texas. You can't carry a concealed handgun unless you have a permit, if it's a black powder pistol that's a different story.... but you can openly carry a long rifle if it's not loaded. So what these people did was perfectly legal.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:51 PM

Ah, well, that's groovy, what were they hoping to achieve with the rally?

Or was it more of just a meet-up type thing

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 01:13 AM

View PostSkepticalB, on 20 October 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

Ah, well, that's groovy, what were they hoping to achieve with the rally?

Or was it more of just a meet-up type thing

For people to be able to carry their handguns, as long as they are holstered, like they can their long guns.


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:03 AM

View PostKowalski, on 20 October 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

That's because most people don't care about their rights until their taken away....Then it's too late....

Not to get off topic but....
Speaking of rights, yesterday there as a huge Open Carry Rally at the Alamo. I watched it live on ustream, and there were a lot of people there...Really awesome....

Link: http://news.yahoo.co...tml?.tsrc=attmp

Link: http://www.texastrib...un-restriction/


How cool is that?  :)
That is just gorgeous.  I am so proud of those people.

The armed march on DC planned for July 4 made a little bit of sense to me after I realized there were other armed marches planned just like it that actually happened on July 4th, and here's the kicker, nobody was killed!   And now, like the stand made at the Alamo.   These aren't the guns they're looking for, are they?   ;)  

Kudos to the Texas General Land Office for approving it also.   The difference between this, and an armed march down Pennsylvania Ave and up past Freedom Plaza is that Texas respects our rights and provided an outlet through which it can prove it.

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:08 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 20 October 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

Holy cow, Youtube comments as a measure of democracy? Please, the totalitarian One World Government can't come quickly enough if that's the case.
Youtube ratings as a measure of popularity.   Defending our rights is popular.   Sorry?

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:09 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 20 October 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

You mean people not agreeing with you?
Not agreeing with me about what my rights are was a consequence of they're/your not knowing, yes.

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 07:00 AM

View PostYamato, on 21 October 2013 - 04:08 AM, said:

Youtube ratings as a measure of popularity.   Defending our rights is popular.   Sorry?
They're rarely a measure of the level of knowledge of the people making them, though, in fact usually, the relationship is directly inverse; the more vocal a poster on YoyTube is, the less they usually tend to know about it. Are a good proportion of the comments still talking about Satanic plots to take over the world?

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 07:49 AM

Some sort of filter is needed when using the internet.  I think it is the same sort of filter needed when reading the tabloid press.  Skeptical intelligence is widely and obviously lacking in most people, which is I guess why they end up in all sorts of movements and religions and whatnots.





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