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#46    Yamato

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 11:55 AM

Now we have a story that singles Israel out from other human organ crimes.   In a shocking escalation of the OP story, we see Israel has other even more ghoulish sources for its organs.   They even admitted executing this policy until it supposedly ended in the 1990s!   Could this be why the youth of Gaza are such a preferred target?   Could younger organs mean better results for their body snatching?


Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.   The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

http://www.theguardi...arvested-organs

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:50 PM

View PostYamato, on 30 July 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Now we have a story that singles Israel out from other human organ crimes.   In a shocking escalation of the OP story, we see Israel has other even more ghoulish sources for its organs.   They even admitted executing this policy until it supposedly ended in the 1990s!   Could this be why the youth of Gaza are such a preferred target?   Could younger organs mean better results for their body snatching?


Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.   The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

http://www.theguardi...arvested-organs
To take the remains of a person without the consent of their family is despicable and hurtful AND illegal, I'm sure.  Those who did this should be tried and jailed IMO.  But you take a large leap to suggest that youths (the primary elements of every protest) are singled out to be killed for their organs.  It is an assumption one CAN make but what would have to be your mindset when that is the first thing you assume?  Could it not be that some criminal Israeli pathologists were taking advantage of an ongoing feud?  Must it be some nefarious government conspiracy from start to finish?

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 10:59 PM

View Postand then, on 30 July 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

To take the remains of a person without the consent of their family is despicable and hurtful AND illegal, I'm sure.  Those who did this should be tried and jailed IMO.  But you take a large leap to suggest that youths (the primary elements of every protest) are singled out to be killed for their organs.  It is an assumption one CAN make but what would have to be your mindset when that is the first thing you assume?  Could it not be that some criminal Israeli pathologists were taking advantage of an ongoing feud?  Must it be some nefarious government conspiracy from start to finish?
It sounds conspiratorial doesn't it?   But I'm merely questioning this.  Of course we question anytime 800,000 children are surrounded by military force and cut off from the rest of the world with tyrannical economic warfare interrupted only by air and ground strikes.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:30 AM

View PostYamato, on 30 July 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Now we have a story that singles Israel out from other human organ crimes.   In a shocking escalation of the OP story, we see Israel has other even more ghoulish sources for its organs.   They even admitted executing this policy until it supposedly ended in the 1990s!   Could this be why the youth of Gaza are such a preferred target?   Could younger organs mean better results for their body snatching?
    

Doctor admits Israeli pathologists harvested organs without consent

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families a practice it said ended in the 1990s it emerged at the weekend.   The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

http://www.theguardi...arvested-organs

They also said they had no chemical weapons until a military transport crashed and revealed a large cache was being held within of such. They had ratified but not signed the chemical weapons act at this point.

The fact they further claim to have no nuclear weapons but even their allies, the US, the department of national security hints they do as well as other third party sources. Also have not signed the NPT. One of very few countries withholding such information. The others primarily being India and Pakistan where their intentions for thia are towards each other.

Take everything controlled and announced by the Zionist leaders with a grain of salt.

I just want to say it baffles me how people are so ready to jump to the defence of a bunch of liars. When political integrity is so disregarded by these people in power. How can you possibly trust what they're saying?

Edited by Orcseeker, 31 July 2013 - 05:33 AM.


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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:54 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 31 July 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

They also said they had no chemical weapons until a military transport crashed and revealed a large cache was being held within of such. They had ratified but not signed the chemical weapons act at this point.

The fact they further claim to have no nuclear weapons but even their allies, the US, the department of national security hints they do as well as other third party sources. Also have not signed the NPT. One of very few countries withholding such information. The others primarily being India and Pakistan where their intentions for thia are towards each other.

Take everything controlled and announced by the Zionist leaders with a grain of salt.

I just want to say it baffles me how people are so ready to jump to the defence of a bunch of liars. When political integrity is so disregarded by these people in power. How can you possibly trust what they're saying?
For my part, I am NOT denying or defending what they did - simply pointing out that it's no worse than many other countries and it has not been shown to be a policy of the government.  Just an example of criminal behavior by individuals.  Yam just uses it as a convenient club to beat the dead horse.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:25 PM

View Postand then, on 31 July 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

For my part, I am NOT denying or defending what they did - simply pointing out that it's no worse than many other countries and it has not been shown to be a policy of the government.  Just an example of criminal behavior by individuals.  Yam just uses it as a convenient club to beat the dead horse.
It's not a dead horse, it's a criminal case that's being updated.   It's a recent event that got published in obscure media while the entire mainstream media ignored it.   It is criminal behavior, and it's admitted policy of the state of Israel.   I know of no other country that's occupying territory and continously attacking it with bombs and rockets and bullets and then snatching bodies and cutting out the organs of its victims.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:39 PM

View PostOrcseeker, on 31 July 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

Take everything controlled and announced by the Zionist leaders with a grain of salt.

I just want to say it baffles me how people are so ready to jump to the defence of a bunch of liars. When political integrity is so disregarded by these people in power. How can you possibly trust what they're saying?

Agreed. It's amazing how many parallels can be drawn between the hate-speech that comes from Zionists and radical Islamists. I read an apparently well known quote today that goes "a Zionist will cry out in pain while stabbing you in the back". Immediately made me think of the situation in Gaza

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:45 AM

View Postand then, on 31 July 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

For my part, I am NOT denying or defending what they did - simply pointing out that it's no worse than many other countries and it has not been shown to be a policy of the government.  Just an example of criminal behavior by individuals.  Yam just uses it as a convenient club to beat the dead horse.

Israel is unique in their situation. Which other country out there can poke and prod all their neighbours because they have an ally that holds the most powerful military in the world? Furthermore their neighbours countries are falling into civil disarray funded by their very own powerful allies. The long running propaganda that they are the poor, helpless little victim, not the powerful, armed to the teeth bully.

There aren't many countries doing this.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:18 AM

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Israel is unique in their situation. Which other country out there can poke and prod all their neighbours because they have an ally that holds the most powerful military in the world? Furthermore their neighbours countries are falling into civil disarray funded by their very own powerful allies. The long running propaganda that they are the poor, helpless little victim, not the powerful, armed to the teeth bully.

There aren't many countries doing this.
The propaganda is BS of course - but all nations do that kind of PR in their own way.  My issue with those who trash the nation of Israel is that they never bother to even TRY to look at the situation in a non biased way.  I guess one either loves this nation or hates it.  There seems to be no middle ground.  Israel is run by human beings.  Are they worse than say, Russians?  Americans, Brits or Filipinos?  Is their government some sort of international demon?  Do they do worse things than others who have come before them?  Do they even do worse things than the enemies they have been at war with forever?  Yep, they ARE unique.  They have a book that is believed by a close majority of the planet as a true document of the Creator's word.  Not all, of course but very, very many.  The proof will be born out IF they survive and eventually prosper and defeat their enemies.  Germany was responsible for starting a war that killed over 50 million souls on this planet yet no one looks back at their record and vilifies them constantly today.  Same for Japan.  The Turks, Russians...the list goes on and on yet it is always the Jews of Israel that never find forgiveness or a fair shake - ALWAYS - they are the guilty, ALWAYS, they are the hated.  That doesn't strike you as being a little odd?  Even a little?  I don't expect their bad behaviors small OR outrageous, to be swept under a rug and glossed over - I just would like it if they were viewed as ALL other nations are viewed and judged.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:51 AM

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The propaganda is BS of course - but all nations do that kind of PR in their own way.  My issue with those who trash the nation of Israel is that they never bother to even TRY to look at the situation in a non biased way. I guess one either loves this nation or hates it. There seems to be no middle ground.  Israel is run by human beings.  Are they worse than say, Russians?  Americans, Brits or Filipinos?  Is their government some sort of international demon?  Do they do worse things than others who have come before them?  Do they even do worse things than the enemies they have been at war with forever?  Yep, they ARE unique.  They have a book that is believed by a close majority of the planet as a true document of the Creator's word.  Not all, of course but very, very many.  The proof will be born out IF they survive and eventually prosper and defeat their enemies.  Germany was responsible for starting a war that killed over 50 million souls on this planet yet no one looks back at their record and vilifies them constantly today.  Same for Japan.  The Turks, Russians...the list goes on and on yet it is always the Jews of Israel that never find forgiveness or a fair shake - ALWAYS - they are the guilty, ALWAYS, they are the hated.  That doesn't strike you as being a little odd?  Even a little?  I don't expect their bad behaviors small OR outrageous, to be swept under a rug and glossed over - I just would like it if they were viewed as ALL other nations are viewed and judged.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:55 AM

Germany and Japan were vilified for their actions and still (although more in Germany's case then Japan's) castigate themselves.
Also, they've stopped. Israel hasn't. They're still invading another country, whereas the last time Germany went on a goosestepping backpacker tour d Europe was 70 years ago.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 11:32 AM

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Germany and Japan were vilified for their actions and still (although more in Germany's case then Japan's) castigate themselves.
Also, they've stopped. Israel hasn't. They're still invading another country, whereas the last time Germany went on a goosestepping backpacker tour d Europe was 70 years ago.
What country would that be, Sir?  You know quite well no such country called Palestine ever existed.  The Romans named that area after the most hated enemies the Jews had back then as a final insult after they dispersed them.  The world gave  **** one about that land until the Jews resettled it.  The Palestinians who were forcibly removed due to a UN act simply refused to be like all who had come before and decided to fight because they couldn't stand the ignominy, the sheer shame of being bested by JEWS.  Now it has become a cause celebre for every Muslim on the planet PLUS a bunch of weak kneed, weak minded, child like, media led sycophants in this modern day.  The greatest irony of all to me is what would happen to that land IF the Jews ever could be removed.... Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon would all lay claim to it and viciously try to kick in the teeth anyone who countered them.  Only that particular scenario is never going to play out.  Not ever.  The Israel haters can go on hating and when the world burns because of this conflict they can continue to blame whomever they like but the truth is it won't matter, they will have brought it on themselves.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 09:31 PM

View PostDark_Grey, on 31 July 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Agreed. It's amazing how many parallels can be drawn between the hate-speech that comes from Zionists and radical Islamists. I read an apparently well known quote today that goes "a Zionist will cry out in pain while stabbing you in the back". Immediately made me think of the situation in Gaza

That quote hit the nail on the head.

Many author's have exposed the myths about the State of Israel. A great source is the Donald Neff books on the 1956 Suez Crisis, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. There is alot of bad history written out there by Zionist and Israel apologists. The very same material Christian Zionists disingenously eat up like junk food french fries.

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 02:21 AM

View Postand then, on 01 August 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

The propaganda is BS of course - but all nations do that kind of PR in their own way.  My issue with those who trash the nation of Israel is that they never bother to even TRY to look at the situation in a non biased way.  I guess one either loves this nation or hates it.  There seems to be no middle ground.  Israel is run by human beings.  Are they worse than say, Russians?  Americans, Brits or Filipinos?  Is their government some sort of international demon?  Do they do worse things than others who have come before them?  Do they even do worse things than the enemies they have been at war with forever?  Yep, they ARE unique.  They have a book that is believed by a close majority of the planet as a true document of the Creator's word.  Not all, of course but very, very many.  The proof will be born out IF they survive and eventually prosper and defeat their enemies.  Germany was responsible for starting a war that killed over 50 million souls on this planet yet no one looks back at their record and vilifies them constantly today.  Same for Japan.  The Turks, Russians...the list goes on and on yet it is always the Jews of Israel that never find forgiveness or a fair shake - ALWAYS - they are the guilty, ALWAYS, they are the hated.  That doesn't strike you as being a little odd?  Even a little?  I don't expect their bad behaviors small OR outrageous, to be swept under a rug and glossed over - I just would like it if they were viewed as ALL other nations are viewed and judged.

Ok. Here's the thing. Instances change over generation. I take it the bulk of Germany aren't Nazis anymore. So again, I am not attacking a country. I constantly refer to these Zionists. They are the current day Nazi equivalent are they not? Take a peak at their ideaology.

Another approach to this. Think of Israel as a foothold in the middle east to send it into disarray, a desirable outcome for the Israeli allies, the USA. (I refer to countries as an overall political goal in this instance which is not usually reflected by the general populace but as we have seen in the past, it's not all too hard to get the bulk of the populace behind you). There are evil, greedy and power hungry people behind this. That's all.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 05:31 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 06 August 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

Ok. Here's the thing. Instances change over generation. I take it the bulk of Germany aren't Nazis anymore. So again, I am not attacking a country. I constantly refer to these Zionists. They are the current day Nazi equivalent are they not? Take a peak at their ideaology.

Another approach to this. Think of Israel as a foothold in the middle east to send it into disarray, a desirable outcome for the Israeli allies, the USA. (I refer to countries as an overall political goal in this instance which is not usually reflected by the general populace but as we have seen in the past, it's not all too hard to get the bulk of the populace behind you). There are evil, greedy and power hungry people behind this. That's all.
I'm perfectly willing to accept your last statement.  But can you explain how it benefits the US or anyone else if Israel's enemies lash out and Israel resorts to using nuclear weapons?  Of all the nations on the planet I think it is they who are the most likely to do so in cold blood.  And to clarify - I mean that they have stated openly a doctrine of never again being "led to the slaughter" without fighting.  I believe them.  I also believe that eventually one of their neighbors is going to become terminally stupid and try to destroy them and then the world is going to see a mushroom cloud that isn't on newsreel from the 50's.  Of course the entire world would despise them and sanction them and want their destruction...wait... that's pretty much the situation already with the exception of the sanctions.  And even THAT issue is about greed more than politics.  Doing business with Israel is profitable and no one wants to lose out.

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