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#16    kmt_sesh

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:37 PM

A note about figural placement in such artifacts. I neglected to include this in my preceding post and might as well enter it here. The bound prisoners are provided a groundline in the same manner as Narmer and his retinue in the photo in my preceding post, but this is not always the case. Especially in artwork of late prehistory and the Early Dynastic Period, the registers and organization seen in later artwork are not as commonplace. The two dead soldiers above the bound men are of course not literally hovering, but lying dead on the ground.

Look again at my detail of the Narmer Palette in my preceding post. Narmer and his retinue appear to be marching toward the right, where you can see a line of decapitated enemy soldiers. Of course they're not hovering, but are meant to depict enemy corpses neatly arrayed for the king's inspection.

Careful attention must be paid to how one interprets ancient artwork.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:47 PM

...I learned that the early Egyptians had rockin' 80s-style perms or possibly Afros. That's awesome.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:10 AM

This is the lower half of the same pallette from The L's link;

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I might add that these are apparently Asians being captured so if it's alien involvment depicted the story is probably at least second hand.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:39 AM

Alien or not, that one guy looks to be 'twerking'.

Very fashion forward...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twerking

Edited by lilthor, 24 July 2013 - 12:55 AM.


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Posted 24 July 2013 - 02:08 AM

View Postlilthor, on 24 July 2013 - 12:39 AM, said:

Alien or not, that one guy looks to be 'twerking'.

Very fashion forward...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twerking

LOL I appreciate the link. As an old fart I didn't even know what "twerking" was.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 02:28 AM

L, in your OP you were speculating that the circular form on the fragment of the Battlefield Palette "might be ship or perhaps portal." This was actually the spot on the palette in which cosmetics were to be mixed, such as malachite and galena. Check out this page of Google images to see numerous other examples.

It goes without saying that such palettes were ritual in nature and probably were never actually used to prepare makeup. Nevertheless, cosmetic palettes are abundant in the archaeological record of predynastic Egypt. They're typically nowhere near as elaborate as Narmer's Palette or the Battlefield Palette, but they were both functional and attractive. They could be carved in geometric forms or in the shapes of animals, especially fish and birds.

Back on the subject of anthropomorphic iconography, this was a common practice down through pharaonic history. You see it in objects like the djed pillar, the ankh, and in combinations of icons. In this case you see a djed clutching was scepters and with ankhs hanging from the arms, all surmounting the neb basket. The Battlefield Palette contains no hieroglyphs of which I'm aware, but it was early styles like it which would inspire the personified icons in my list. In the case of my last link all of the icons are separate hieroglyphs which ultimately spell out the pharse "All strength, life, and dominion."

As is always the case, no aliens are involved. :alien:

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 05:05 AM

I agree. The "robots" are not hovering.

If those who do see "hovering" look at the pic Cladking posted earlier, you can see the Lower section of the artifact, which shows how the upper section fits onto it and the feet of the prisoners are on the lower section.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:35 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 July 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

I was stuned by this plate due details AE used. Look details on hair. Or their penis.
So these things behind them have had hands, wierd heads and it seems that they were hovering.

And circle isnt my prime concern but in contest could it be portal or ship?

Actually, those penises chatch attention. Could they be John Holmes's ancestors? :lol:
I don't see anywthing weird in this palette, except the abovementioned body parts


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 02:15 AM

I see I made an error in my earlier post, which is what happens when you don't read other folks' posts carefully enough. In talking about hovering L was referring to the two standards, not the splayed soldiers above the bound prisoners. My apologies. Nevertheless, I think it's obvious the two standards do not represent actual living beings. Instead, they represent a wider and specific group of people: be it from the royal house or a nome of ancient Egypt.

The fact that they don't touch the implied ground line is immaterial. One cannot achieve a working understanding of ancient art by viewing such things through 21st century eyes.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:48 AM

Kmt,

thanks on post. Your link Hunter's Palette doesnt work btw.
I didnt know egyptians have had wide range of standards. And such vivid ones. With hands.
I dont know what to say. For moment I felt I discover something.
All I discover beside various AE standards and that Gauis Marius probably took Egyptian standard.
As it is now (USA) obviously it always feel safe under the eagle (Egypt, Rome)

Drones... :blush:

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 05:41 PM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 24 July 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

LOL I appreciate the link. As an old fart I didn't even know what "twerking" was.

Ha...my pleasure.

Best to not try it though.  I believe it's considered a 'gateway move' and can lead to much worse behavior.


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 11:30 PM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 25 July 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

The fact that they don't touch the implied ground line is immaterial. One cannot achieve a working understanding of ancient art by viewing such things through 21st century eyes.

Absolutetly true. Perspective was introduced by Giotto in the late XIII Century.
Relativism is fundamental and, unfortunately, sometimes forgotten also by professionals.

The L, I agree with you and had always found interesting similitudes between Rome and USA, like the symbol of the eagle and other things (preventive war for instance). But we're going OT


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:11 AM

View Postlilthor, on 25 July 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Ha...my pleasure.

Best to not try it though.  I believe it's considered a 'gateway move' and can lead to much worse behavior.

Just ask the parents in "Footloose."

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:55 AM

View PostHarte, on 26 July 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Just ask the parents in "Footloose."

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Absolutely.  And of course there's John 'Twerk'volta.  A cautionary...em...tale, if ever there was one.


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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:56 AM

View Postthe L, on 25 July 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Kmt,

thanks on post. Your link Hunter's Palette doesnt work btw.
I didnt know egyptians have had wide range of standards. And such vivid ones. With hands.
I dont know what to say. For moment I felt I discover something.
All I discover beside various AE standards and that Gauis Marius probably took Egyptian standard.
As it is now (USA) obviously it always feel safe under the eagle (Egypt, Rome)

Drones... :blush:

The eagle itself played only a small part in ancient Egyptian traditions and was surpassed by other flying critters such as the falcon and vulture. However, the prominence of the eagle between Rome and the USA is patently obvious. It's not surprising. The founders of my country freely made use of ancient Greek and Roman motifs across the board, especially in symbolism and architecture.

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