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#1    Thanato

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:28 AM

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A Tory MP from Winnipeg wants to see Canadians "opt in" before they’re allowed to view pornography online.
Conservative MP Joy Smith says she wants to see Canada adopt legislation that requires residents to request access to pornography from their internet service providers or have all pornographic material preemptively blocked.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2013/07/23/mb-joy-smith-anti-porn-bill-winnipeg.html

I guess she doesn't realize that you can already do that with parental filters.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:55 AM

Oh my, looks like Tea party Republicans have slip over the boarder. My sympathies.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:02 PM

Censor porn? How about the parents simply use the 'lock out ' option themselves? Dragging the government into the mix is bound to cause a great big mess IMO.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:04 PM

If they go ahead with this they will lose the 2015 election.

I wont vote for them, simply out of principle.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:10 PM

View PostThanato, on 24 July 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

If they go ahead with this they will lose the 2015 election.

I wont vote for them, simply out of principle.

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What principle? That p0rnography is your constitutional right? Something else? Just curious.

View PostDarkwind, on 24 July 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Oh my, looks like Tea party Republicans have slip over the boarder. My sympathies.

Is pornography part of the Tea Party platform? Do you have a link for that?
Or is that just your fertile imagination?

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:21 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 24 July 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

What principle? That p0rnography is your constitutional right? Something else? Just curious.


Censorship and Government knows best. What they should do is sponsor an education program for parents to teach them about the already in place firewalls and filters which do exactly what she wants. That would make more sense. They should educate people on their options but not legislate their choice.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:27 PM

Not my country....so...feel free to ignore me.

I heard on another board that Cameron is seeking the same thing in the UK.  For what it is worth...here is my opinion...

Ridiculous.  People should be forced to be responsible instead of having a "nanny" come in and "make it all better".

There are tools on your computer to lock this stuff out.  If you are too stupid to use them, perhaps you should not have internet access at all...maybe you don't even deserve to own a computer.

I am not for allowing stupidity to effect the lives of everyone around it.  A small groups incompetence should not punish everyone.

What unseen impacts will this have?  The hubby or wife that likes to sneak a little harmless thrill is now gonna be registered in some sexual deviant database?  This thing...from both sides of the ocean...stinks of something the world has smelled before...

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

Seriously?? Why does the government feel the need to stick it's nose where it doesn't belong? Just stupid... :no:


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Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:19 PM

View PostKowalski, on 24 July 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Seriously?? Why does the government feel the need to stick it's nose where it doesn't belong? Just stupid... :no:
We're all just stupid and they obviously know what's best for all of us.....

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:35 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 24 July 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

Not my country....so...feel free to ignore me.

I heard on another board that Cameron is seeking the same thing in the UK.  For what it is worth...here is my opinion...

Ridiculous.  People should be forced to be responsible instead of having a "nanny" come in and "make it all better".

There are tools on your computer to lock this stuff out.  If you are too stupid to use them, perhaps you should not have internet access at all...maybe you don't even deserve to own a computer.

I am not for allowing stupidity to effect the lives of everyone around it.  A small groups incompetence should not punish everyone.

What unseen impacts will this have?  The hubby or wife that likes to sneak a little harmless thrill is now gonna be registered in some sexual deviant database?  This thing...from both sides of the ocean...stinks of something the world has smelled before...

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My thought as well.  It isn't about keeping anyone safe - it's about gaining information on people to potentially be used against them in future.  Nevermind that porn isn't illegal(with some obvious exceptions).  It's kind of like having to register to "enjoy" any other "vice" like smoking or drinking or eating twinkies...  Some bureaucrat can come around later with an appropriate label for you that means you need to pay more because of these bad habits that are destructive to public order...

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:42 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 24 July 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Oh my, looks like Tea party Republicans have slip over the boarder. My sympathies.

Funny, I seem to recall the loudest voice calling for censoring things like this came from someone named Gore (D).

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 12:42 PM

Like Jeremiah said, it isnt my country so feel free to ignore my opinion. That being said, this is just plan deceitful. They just want to gather info on people. I mean seriously, its not like people wont just end up buying DVD's again. When are these morons going to realize that you cant legislate morality? I litteraly despise the road my country and others are taking, thinking they have to treat us as though we are children.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:28 PM

the US Congress has tried this many times......

Since 1996, Congress has passed several laws that address sexually explicit materials and sexual predation found on the Internet, including:
  • The Communications Decency Act (CDA): Passed in 1996, the CDA represents Congress’s first attempt to regulate children’s access to sexually explicit material on the Internet. The CDA made it illegal to put “indecent” content on the Internet where kids could find it. However, the Supreme Court unanimously declared the CDA unconstitutional in 1997 in Reno v. ACLU for “broad suppression of speech addressed to adults”; the term “indecent” was found to be too vague.
  • The Child Online Protection Act (COPA): In 1998 a narrower version of the CDA required commercial Web sites to verify proof of age before giving users access to sexually explicit material considered obscene for minors. COPA was immediately challenged by the ACLU and other civil liberty organizations, and in 1999 a permanent injunction was ordered against its enforcement. On May 13, 2002, in ACLU v. Ashcroft, the Supreme Court directed a lower court to reexamine its ruling that COPA was unconstitutional. On March 7, 2003, the court again found that COPA was unconstitutional. On June 29, 2004 the Supreme Court kept in place the 1999 lower-court ruling against the enforcement of COPA, but ordered the lower court to consider whether recent advancements in filtering technologies could protect children more or less effectively than the criminal sanctions specified in COPA.
  • The Children’s Internet Protection Act (CIPA): In 2000, Congress enacted CIPA, which took effect in April 2001, requiring schools and libraries receiving federal technology funds to install pornography-blocking software on their computers. The American Library Association filed suit alleging that the library portion of CIPA was unconstitutional on its face. On May 31, 2002, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania agreed. The U.S government appealed that decision, and on June 23, 2003, the Supreme Court overturned the district court’s ruling. (The school portion of CIPA has not yet been challenged, so its constitutionality remains untested.)

Several states have tried to pass legislation that would protect children by reducing the amount of unsolicited e-mail, or spam, that comes their way.

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and yeah, Tipper Gore and her PMRC friends made a big stink and it quickly fizzled away - but the music industry adopted the Parental Advisory thing on their own because they know kids love things their parents disapprove of, it was nothing more than a marketing tool


personally, I'm all in favor of putting a childs rights above an adults rights - I dont know anything about the ins and outs of the internet but has anyone ever considered creating 2 internets? - a Family Internet and an Adult Internet? - and therefore 2 types of computer systems, the Family Computer and the Adult Computer - family computers cannot connect to the adult internet and vice-a-versa


just a thought


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 02:43 PM

Well goodness, like others have said, there are parental locks on computers. But I'm also wondering... I know in the U.S. there is usually a "are you 18" kind of thing on adult sites- does Canada have that on their porn sites? I realize it's easy enough to bypass that, but I'm curious as to if there is already such a thing in place or not.


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 02:53 PM

All adult websites "supposedly" have encryption verification that "talks" to the parental lockouts...even if an under 18 clever kid tries to "lie" on the "are you over 18?" question...the parental locks still do not let the content through without a password.

it just shows the depths of stupidity some folks bumble through their day with.  It's really not that difficult to set up and there are tons of tutorials available if you are truly that thick...

Oh well, everyone in my family is 20 or older so...there you have it.

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