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#1    itsnotoutthere

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:55 PM

Um, no doubt this has been discussed on several occasions, but what is the (no doubt) convoluted explanation for Cain & Abel - Adam & Eves only children walking into the desert & mysteriously reappearing sometime later with wives. Who 'begat' the women?

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:02 PM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 25 July 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

Um, no doubt this has been discussed on several occasions, but what is the (no doubt) convoluted explanation for Cain & Abel - Adam & Eves only children walking into the desert & mysteriously reappearing sometime later with wives. Who 'begat' the women?
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good question INOT, one i've always wondered about, but not wanted to know the answer to, if you know what i mean?
the mental imagery would scar me for life!!

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:05 PM

maybe  god took them from their ribs. or women wernt noted not being patriarchs so their were females born but not noted. that then leaves incest, which results in the copying of two sets of flawed genes but i guess if they had just been created time wouldnt of affected and corrupted those genes, there fore producing healthy offspring.
id prefer to assume people were are outside the garden of eden allready

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:26 PM

Otter Zell explained it very will here.
http://caw.org/content/?q=node/65

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:38 PM

http://www.letusreas...g/Biblexp15.htm

Not sure how accurate this article is though.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:46 PM

Well for starters, Cain and Abel where not the only children of Adam and Eve. The Bible mentions specifically a third son, Seth, and non specific referances to various children afterward. In regards to the wives, Able had not yet married when he was killed, at least by the traditions I know of. As for Cain, he was doomed to wander the world and supposedly later came across one of his sisters and you can imagine what happened there.

So to answer your question, the descendant of Adam and Eve where way to damn close.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 11:17 PM

View Postshrooma, on 25 July 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

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good question INOT, one i've always wondered about, but not wanted to know the answer to, if you know what i mean?
the mental imagery would scar me for life!!
you can always lend me some money and i can tell you the answer XD

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 11:20 PM

I was under the impression that Adam, Eve and their horde of kiddies were the first humans to have "the spark of the divine" in them, and not the humans left to run free outside of God's Garden, thus they introduced a specific something into the wild human makeup that made them more intune with the divine.

Or ... here's a wild thought. It's a metaphor.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:06 AM

Several theories exist, I'll start with the literal approach first before moving to the metaphorical:

1- Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters not mentioned by name, these daughters married Cain and Abel (and Seth, and others also) and had children.  In this scenario the people were still mirrors of the perfection in Eden and therefore the genetic disorders that came later did not affect the early people.

2- One interesting theory is that Genesis 1 is an overview of the entirety of the earth, while Genesis 2 is a description not of the earth as a whole but a small part of that earth (the Garden of Eden).  In chapter 1 God is described as creating humankind (both male and female).  Then in chapter 2 it describes God creating Adam from the dust of the earth, and then creating Eve from part of Adam's side.  It is possible that God created humans and then created Adam and Eve specially to live in the garden.  Thus when they are kicked out, there are already many people out there (hence why Cain feared for his life when he killed his brother, for he laments "whoever finds me will kill me", a legitimately scared response to being exiled and finding refuge with tribal people aside.  This view suffers from a theological flaw, for if there really was a literal Adam and Eve then through them sin entered the world, but if there were already humans aside from Adam and Eve did they also inherit the sin-nature?

3- The metaphorical approach, and the one I would choose as most likely, is that the story of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel represents one small part of the pre-Abrahamic oral history of the Hebrew people.  The story may reflect an event that did actually happen but has been appropriated by the oral tradition and turned into a narrative about God.  You can read more about that HERE in a discourse I wrote on it about a year ago now.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:17 AM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 25 July 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

Um, no doubt this has been discussed on several occasions, but what is the (no doubt) convoluted explanation for Cain & Abel - Adam & Eves only children walking into the desert & mysteriously reappearing sometime later with wives. Who 'begat' the women?

Those were not only children of Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve were "King and queen" of early men, so there were others people aswell.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:46 AM

The faster we as a society forget about that silly book, the better off we'll be.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:28 AM

View PostRafterman, on 26 July 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

The faster we as a society forget about that silly book, the better off we'll be.
As Torah, Quran etc.?

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:45 PM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 25 July 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

Um, no doubt this has been discussed on several occasions, but what is the (no doubt) convoluted explanation for Cain & Abel - Adam & Eves only children walking into the desert & mysteriously reappearing sometime later with wives. Who 'begat' the women?
Ever check the translations of the names "Cain" and "Abel?"  "Cain" means a craftsman, the original Mr. Smith, someone who makes things with tools.  In the Exodus, the Kenites were the craftsmen, the ones who made things, like the Arc of the Covenant.  Equivalent to the Egyptian Sementyou.

"Abel" is a herdsman or farmer.  Someone who makes his living from the land.

Their story is the story of hunter-gatherers making the transition to a more-settled agricultural style of living.  The smith killed the hunter-gatherer.

Those are eponymous names - names of ideas, not of people.  They are completely symbolic and don't have to make sense in terms of wives and sweethearts and who did the begatting.
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Posted 26 July 2013 - 03:24 PM

My take is that Adam&Eve story was pretty much independent from Cain&Abel story. They were combined together later on.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 03:37 PM

everything seemed to be combined and tied together later on in the bible, the book is worse than an epic crime novel series switching up all the time

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