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Bees in danger - it's not just one chemical

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#121    Rafterman

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 01:25 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 28 August 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

Next time I go out into the Northern hills of the island I'll bring you a picture of hives right below a mast. And no CCD. Besides that, in urban areas there are many more mobile communication devices and transceivers.

Try again.

Damn, how did I miss the mobile phone shill money?

I'll have to check that out since I'm already getting the Monsanto, Big Pharma, Fracking, and Illuminati paydays.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 01:33 PM

On a serious note, I'd be interested in folks' take on this article from the Ottawa Citizen:

http://www.ottawacit...0471/story.html
There is no bee crisis


Contrary to what you may have heard, there is no “bee-pocalypse.” There is lots of alarmist talk about colony collapse disorder, people are blaming pesticides and talking about hundreds of billions of dollars at risk. But a closer look tells a very different story.

Yes, honeybees are dying in above-average numbers, but the most likely cause is the varroa mite and associated viruses.

Moreover, if you look at the actual numbers, they undermine much of the catastrophic rhetoric. In the United States, where we have good data, beekeepers have adapted to CCD. Colony numbers were higher in 2010 than any year since 1999. The beekeepers are not passive victims.

Instead, they have actively rebuilt their colonies in response to increased mortality from CCD. Although average winter mortality rates have increased from around 15 per cent before 2006 to more than 30 per cent, beekeepers have been able to adapt to these changes at fairly low cost and to maintain colony numbers.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 08:07 PM

View PostRafterman, on 04 September 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Damn, how did I miss the mobile phone shill money?

I'll have to check that out since I'm already getting the Monsanto, Big Pharma, Fracking, and Illuminati paydays.
Honesty for once :tu:

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 08:10 PM

View PostRafterman, on 04 September 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

On a serious note, I'd be interested in folks' take on this article from the Ottawa Citizen:

http://www.ottawacit...0471/story.html
There is no bee crisis


Contrary to what you may have heard, there is no “bee-pocalypse.” There is lots of alarmist talk about colony collapse disorder, people are blaming pesticides and talking about hundreds of billions of dollars at risk. But a closer look tells a very different story.

Yes, honeybees are dying in above-average numbers, but the most likely cause is the varroa mite and associated viruses.

Moreover, if you look at the actual numbers, they undermine much of the catastrophic rhetoric. In the United States, where we have good data, beekeepers have adapted to CCD. Colony numbers were higher in 2010 than any year since 1999. The beekeepers are not passive victims.

Instead, they have actively rebuilt their colonies in response to increased mortality from CCD. Although average winter mortality rates have increased from around 15 per cent before 2006 to more than 30 per cent, beekeepers have been able to adapt to these changes at fairly low cost and to maintain colony numbers.
Bjorn Lomborg, need I say more.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 08:16 PM

The way to do that is Bjorn Lomborg

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 04 September 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Bjorn Lomborg, need I say more.

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View Postquestionmark, on 04 September 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

The way to do that is Bjorn Lomborg
At least, his numbers are in "ballpark":

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Bee losses for the 2011/2012 winter were 22 percent. This past winter’s losses are slightly higher than the previous 6-year average loss of 30.5 percent.
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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:34 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 06 September 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

At least, his numbers are in "ballpark":
(link)

AS usual I wonder where you get the numbers from, actual peer reviewed studies come to higher numbers, and that only for the winter losses.

But I guess we all eat with our ears, give or take an inch.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 08:04 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 06 September 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

AS usual I wonder where you get the numbers from, actual peer reviewed studies come to higher numbers, and that only for the winter losses.

But I guess we all eat with our ears, give or take an inch.
Ok, lets see (from your link)

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Our survey quantifies the extent of colony losses in the United States over the winter of 2007–2008.
What number do they put on the table?

As I said, ballpark: in B.Lomborg's "more than 30 per cent", and I linked to USDA ARS webpage (bit outdated (05/06/2013), nevertheless).

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