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#1    ReaperS_ParadoX

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:13 PM

Iv been on this forum for a little while now and it seems people vary in what they think is decent evidence, because it seems to be different for everyone, and I also was wondering in the skeptics opinion, is there anybody in this field that you feel like you can trust, and don't just see as another nutball?

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:38 PM

For me acceptable evidence would be seeing it with my own eyes. I'm not particularly well-informed, but if a fifty foot whatever appeared in front of me I'd surely start analysing what I think is real and what is not.

I'd also like to ask, what is "acceptable" in a video? Of course special effects can cover almost anything, but what kind of stuff cannot be that easily debunked?


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:39 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 27 July 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

Iv been on this forum for a little while now and it seems people vary in what they think is decent evidence, because it seems to be different for everyone, and I also was wondering in the skeptics opinion, is there anybody in this field that you feel like you can trust, and don't just see as another nutball?

I think a quick check at the Encyclopedia Britannica or Wikipedia would be a good start.

For Example: Crop Circles

http://www.britannic...662/crop-circle


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:41 PM

Yeah but you see Tau everyone doesn't consider crop circles as evidence that E.T.'s been here or is here.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:45 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 27 July 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

Yeah but you see Tau everyone doesn't consider crop circles as evidence that E.T.'s been here or is here.

Oh really?  Go read the - evidence - at Encyclopedia Britannica.

EB states some are made by humans.

Okay, great!   Oh, BTW ....who is making the other crop circles ???


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:47 PM

View PostTau Ceti Xeta, on 27 July 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

Oh really?  Go read the - evidence - at Encyclopedia Britannica.

EB states some are made by humans.

Okay, great!   Oh, BTW ....who is making the other crop circles ???
Your fights not with me Tau i'm just saying that some don't consider crop circles as evidence that E.T.s have been here. No need to get aggressive

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:48 PM

View PostTau Ceti Xeta, on 27 July 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

EB states some are made by humans.

Okay, great!   Oh, BTW ....who is making the other crop circles ???

Humans who want people to think aliens are making them.


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:52 PM

Crop circles can be pretty artistic, but I don't consider them to be solid proof. I'd have to read more about how they can be made.


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:54 PM

View PostVyers, on 27 July 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Crop circles can be pretty artistic, but I don't consider them to be solid proof. I'd have to read more about how they can be made.
Its pretty simple for a human to do

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:57 PM

Yep, I just read how they're made and it's not mystifying at all. You don't need any sort of advanced technology to do them. Sorry, but no. How about showing me an alien baby? An alien baby would be great.


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 06:57 PM

i need to see it feel it smell it, has to be 100 percent physical for me

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 07:09 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 27 July 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

Iv been on this forum for a little while now and it seems people vary in what they think is decent evidence, because it seems to be different for everyone, and I also was wondering in the skeptics opinion, is there anybody in this field that you feel like you can trust, and don't just see as another nutball?

Great question.  Unfortunately, I don't think any researcher that I would trust would study ufology as it would be career suicide.  That leaves the kooks and fringe to disseminate info.  Obviously something is going on, but until the stigma attached to ufology disappears I fear it will remain an enigma.  I am in the field of biomedical research and have encountered 3 people who have passed on info about bodies being recovered at Roswell.  2 were well respected PhDs who were told about the situation from their fathers who were in the Air Force.  The other was a commercial pilot.  None of these people had any reason to lie.  I still work with the 2 PhDs.  Their stories never change and what struck me most is the fear they conveyed when they related finding out about the bodies as children.  Something happened at Roswell.  That I believe.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 07:09 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 27 July 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Your fights not with me Tau i'm just saying that some don't consider crop circles as evidence that E.T.s have been here. No need to get aggressive

I'm just asking a question.  That's it.

Why are you getting defensive?

Do you have an answer?


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 07:12 PM

View PostVyers, on 27 July 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Yep, I just read how they're made and it's not mystifying at all. You don't need any sort of advanced technology to do them. Sorry, but no. How about showing me an alien baby? An alien baby would be great.

One topic at a time. Crop circles can be made by humans. However, the very large and complex crop circles defy an explanation

by the skeptics.  The skeptics usually just try to change the subject in order to avoid the truth.

That tactic actually works.................sometimes.


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Posted 27 July 2013 - 07:19 PM

View Postphantasia, on 27 July 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

Great question.  Unfortunately, I don't think any researcher that I would trust would study ufology as it would be career suicide.  That leaves the kooks and fringe to disseminate info.  Obviously something is going on, but until the stigma attached to ufology disappears I fear it will remain an enigma.  I am in the field of biomedical research and have encountered 3 people who have passed on info about bodies being recovered at Roswell.  2 were well respected PhDs who were told about the situation from their fathers who were in the Air Force.  The other was a commercial pilot.  None of these people had any reason to lie.  I still work with the 2 PhDs.  Their stories never change and what struck me most is the fear they conveyed when they related finding out about the bodies as children.  Something happened at Roswell.  That I believe.

Yes, something did happen at Roswell and the U.S. Military transferred Sergeant Fred Benthal to Antarctica

"to study the effects of cold on pieces of equipment".

I feel sorry for Fred.

Can you imagine his reaction? " I'm being transferred where???!" :no:





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