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#1    Jeremiah65

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 12:04 AM

Ok...I am clueless on this....where does the freedom of speech collide with the ownership of a site?

I am currently fighting it out on another site for the freedom to express....even when the owners disagree.

I get it...they "own" the site...so...does that make it ok to suppress conversation?  Is suppression and oppression suddenly ok?


C'mon site owners....spill your guts......tell us the truth.  You are ok with "freedom of expression" as long as it does not disagree with your views.......I see it all around....from GLP to ATS to you guys....you embrace freedom of speech as long as it embraces your point of view.  Do not lie....it is beneath you...you do not welcome and love freedom of speech....in fact....you hate it....


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Edited by Jeremiah65, 29 July 2013 - 12:06 AM.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 12:24 AM

I don't own a site but I imagine speech gets curtailed at the point where it offends enough of the other members to potentially cause fewer eyes on the site from day to day.  Having loud, bombastic types who ruin the site for others who are just there for fun and edification, lets say.  And I have been on a couple of sites like that - those types just suck the life out of them in short order.  Anyway - my 2c  :)

edit to add:  I do not think of YOU as one of those types at all.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 12:58 AM

I'm no expert, but I sense that the idea of public domain/forum and private ownership/control has become fuzzy on the Internet. It seems to me that "Ownership" has as much "Control" as It can assert and exert. Even the experiment in informational democracy known as 'Wikipedia' has monitors, minders and menders according to set rules.

I, too, yearn for a society of greater freedom, not less; the portents aren't good for this possibility.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:13 AM

It was a point...nothing less.

I was not trying to cram my personal world view down the throats of others...in fact, i made that extremely clear....it was an opinion.

I do not think it is ok for media to decide  what is acceptable and what is not.

The issue was homosexuality....my position was......I do not care what consenting adults do....and I find it small minded for those that do.  I do not care what two or more consenting adults do behind closed doors....it is not my concern.  I was educated.....by rage.....that many do not agree with  my point of view.

I was rather disappointed at the test results....I thought we had risen above the interference in another persons life...guess not.

Anywho....I got banned.....not that I was any more offensive there than I have ever been here....I know...i can be irritating....but that is all part of it......sorry, my experiments into freedom of expression has shown anything but that....most people are iron clad hypocrites.....sorry...sad but true.

In all honesty, I am not a card carrying fan of one lifestyle or another....I was more concerned with people's freedom to express.....and I went to school.....folks are not nearly as accepting and forgiving as they want you to think they are.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:45 AM

Who ever owns the site can boot or admit anybody they want and control what they say. It is their site.

Edited by Darkwind, 29 July 2013 - 01:46 AM.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:51 AM

Freedom of speech is really a concept, your'll find in reality you have freedom of speech until somehow someone finds a way to shut you up if they don't like what your saying, if your obviously spreading lies or instigating violence etc etc then yep you should be told to zip it, but mostly your called racist, that seems to be the universal 'shutter upper' these days.


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:30 AM

View Postciriuslea, on 29 July 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

Freedom of speech is really a concept, your'll find in reality you have freedom of speech until somehow someone finds a way to shut you up if they don't like what your saying, if your obviously spreading lies or instigating violence etc etc then yep you should be told to zip it, but mostly your called racist, that seems to be the universal 'shutter upper' these days.
Yep...that term has become a bludgeon to be used on almost anyone for scant reason at all, other than to express disagreement and suppress them.  Perfect example is the outrageous treatment of Paula Dean (I do not mean to hijack) She is being monetarily penalized, severely, for something she uttered 3 DECADES ago.  PC out of control much?  I hope she stiffens her spine and uses some cash to hire O'Mara :)

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:45 AM

View Postand then, on 29 July 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

Yep...that term has become a bludgeon to be used on almost anyone for scant reason at all, other than to express disagreement and suppress them.  Perfect example is the outrageous treatment of Paula Dean (I do not mean to hijack) She is being monetarily penalized, severely, for something she uttered 3 DECADES ago.  PC out of control much?  I hope she stiffens her spine and uses some cash to hire O'Mara :)

I see on other forums and social media that the impact some hope to make by using the term actually fails, as most people are becoming aware of this..and usually jump all over it,


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:27 AM

Think of it like running a business. You want it to portray a certain image or you can just act like a tyrant because you can just block and ban anyone you want. I think people think of websites as public domain. Remember though, there is always a place online somewhere that will hear you out.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:33 AM

View PostJeremiah65, on 29 July 2013 - 12:04 AM, said:

Ok...I am clueless on this....where does the freedom of speech collide with the ownership of a site?

I am currently fighting it out on another site for the freedom to express....even when the owners disagree.

I get it...they "own" the site...so...does that make it ok to suppress conversation?  Is suppression and oppression suddenly ok?


C'mon site owners....spill your guts......tell us the truth.  You are ok with "freedom of expression" as long as it does not disagree with your views.......I see it all around....from GLP to ATS to you guys....you embrace freedom of speech as long as it embraces your point of view.  Do not lie....it is beneath you...you do not welcome and love freedom of speech....in fact....you hate it....


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:33 AM

Freedom of speach ends more or less when you open a site any site.  To find out what you did and shouldn't have, you need to read the rules for that site.  But, I think the mods have final say, since they can block you from the site.

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There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:41 AM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 29 July 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

I'm no expert, but I sense that the idea of public domain/forum and private ownership/control has become fuzzy on the Internet. It seems to me that "Ownership" has as much "Control" as It can assert and exert. Even the experiment in informational democracy known as 'Wikipedia' has monitors, minders and menders according to set rules.

I, too, yearn for a society of greater freedom, not less; the portents aren't good for this possibility.

Good luck with your work at self-expression.


The usa is the country of freedom. Although we are selling that freedom for more security.  Soon we will niether.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the mormon faith. Thank for careing and if you don't peace be with you. http://fremerica.freeforums.net/

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 05:06 AM

Websites like this are privately owned enterprises.  They aren't "public".  You are a guest here and are allowed stay only as long as the administrator/owner allows it.  For the most part, if no one is being disruptive, then no one is thrown out (it's not good business), but in order to maintain the standards of a forum like this sometimes banning someone is the only option.  Freedom of speech doesn't exist in a private domain.  Imagine you are a guest in my house, I have my children here and you start swearing your head off.  I ask you kindly to stop, I don't want my child hearing that.  You ignore it and continue to swear - I am well within my Rights to ask you to leave.  Cry "freedom of speech" all you like, it doesn't mean you have a Right to be in my house.  Once your outside on the public road, you can say and do whatever you want, freedom of speech exists there.  But as long as you are in this proverbial house known affectionately as UM, you abide by the rules (which you agreed to abide by when you signed up your account here - you ticked a box which said you have read the rules and agree to abide by them).

You should be thankful that this site has moderating standards.  I've been on unmoderated forums where free speech is allegedly upheld.  A legitimate, interesting topic was started, I was reading the responses.  Four responses into the thread, and a member posted a one-sentence reply to the topic:  "show us your tits".  From there, the thread devolved even further, when a person linked to internet porn saying "did someone say tits"? Swearing, insults and more porn links followed.  Is that what you want UM to be like?  I certainly don't.  I like it here as it is.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 05:53 AM

IMO it's like being in someone's house.
You've every right to say what you want, but the owner of the house has every right to boot you to the curb in they're offended by what you've said.


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 06:10 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 29 July 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

IMO it's like being in someone's house.
You've every right to say what you want, but the owner of the house has every right to boot you to the curb in they're offended by what you've said.

Agreed, as long as there is no use of force.. of course.

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