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#16    Odin11

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 06:29 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 29 July 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

Once your outside on the public road, you can say and do whatever you want, freedom of speech exists there.

That's not really true. Swearing in public will get you fined. People need to remember that freedom of speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want without the consequences.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 07:06 AM

People have said that "it's like being in someone's house", "it's like being a guest", but is it? If it was a person's private Blog, then it might be, but surely a Forum is like a business whose aim should be to attract as many customers as possible. It's not like the owners' private house, or if it is like that it's a very badly run forum and not how a forum should be. There was a Forum I used to be on that got like that, the Owner stamped all over it and, with his tame lackey Moderators, just instantly by kneejerk response banned anyone who contravened the slightest of the inordinate amount of silly Rules, or who disagreed with his increasingly paranoid theory that there was a great army of sleeper Troll agents, who had been planted under the guise of respectable members, but were just waiting for their moment to rise up and cause mayhem, because his Forum was so influential that there were many that would have loved to see it destroyed.
Last time I thought I might have a look at it, it said "You need to be regsistered before you can see it", so it looks as though his paranoia has got to the stage where he doesn't want to attract new customers.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 10:03 AM

were it a public forum, I-d agree.
it's not, this place is a private forum with an enforced code of conduct.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:28 AM

View PostOdin11, on 29 July 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

That's not really true. Swearing in public will get you fined. People need to remember that freedom of speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want without the consequences.

Yelling, screaming, carrying on trying to incite a crowd into a panic or violence can be being a public nuisance and might get you in trouble but you can stand outside and talk and swear out anything you like. Generally swearing in public will not get you fined. You have confused reality with Demolition Man.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:36 AM

View PostF3SS, on 29 July 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

Yelling, screaming, carrying on trying to incite a crowd into a panic or violence can be being a public nuisance and might get you in trouble but you can stand outside and talk and swear out anything you like. Generally swearing in public will not get you fined. You have confused reality with Demolition Man.

Not quite. In nine States it is against the law to swear publicly or by phone (i.e. West Virginia). In three states that can get you arrested. Besides that there must be over 100 city ordinances making swearing illegal.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:36 AM

View PostOdin11, on 29 July 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

That's not really true. Swearing in public will get you fined. People need to remember that freedom of speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want without the consequences.
thats only if you are shouting or screaming etc


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 12:47 PM

View PostOdin11, on 29 July 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

That's not really true. Swearing in public will get you fined. People need to remember that freedom of speech does not mean you get to say whatever you want without the consequences.


View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 29 July 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

thats only if you are shouting or screaming etc

What if you have Tourette's?


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:04 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 29 July 2013 - 12:04 AM, said:

Ok...I am clueless on this....where does the freedom of speech collide with the ownership of a site?

I am currently fighting it out on another site for the freedom to express....even when the owners disagree.

I get it...they "own" the site...so...does that make it ok to suppress conversation?  Is suppression and oppression suddenly ok?


C'mon site owners....spill your guts......tell us the truth.  You are ok with "freedom of expression" as long as it does not disagree with your views.......I see it all around....from GLP to ATS to you guys....you embrace freedom of speech as long as it embraces your point of view.  Do not lie....it is beneath you...you do not welcome and love freedom of speech....in fact....you hate it....


tell us the truth corporate boy.....for once...just tell the truth.....

to re-affrim.......It's ok...tell us the truth,

I can agree with what you are saying..There are times when I felt like saying how I truly felt on certain matters, but I know I cant, so I have to find a way to re-word it without breaking any rule..... Freedom of speech is limited if you are on any site that has it's own rules to guide others...

However, we have to look at this on the other side of the fence  ( there's always two sides )

If you own your own home, and you have your own rules, part of your rule says - No swearing or mouthing abuse at others.. You have good reason to make that a rule, because you do not want any ill feeling or chaos in your home - Your home, your rule...

I reckon that is why sites like UM and so forth, set up rules and guide lines to follow... IF this site  ( for example ) allowed us all to say how we felt, the forum would be a war zone... There wouldn't be any mods.. It would be a nightmare to post on UM if they allowed everyone to say how they truly felt...  I have felt like telling some yappy git to shut his cake hole many times, but I understand that once I do, a fight will break out, and people would be put off posting on a forum that allowed all this crazy chaos to happen.

Conclusion is - Just like in your home, web sites are the same.( if they both have rules ) .. There is no such thing as freedom of speech....

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:15 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 29 July 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:

There was a Forum I used to be on that got like that, the Owner stamped all over it and, with his tame lackey Moderators, just instantly by kneejerk response banned anyone who contravened the slightest of the inordinate amount of silly Rules, or who disagreed with his increasingly paranoid theory that there was a great army of sleeper

A good few years ago, I was on a sports forum..  It was a nightmare...  The owner of the forum was called Amanda or Mandy, I can't recall, but, she spouted verbal abuse at anyone there ..

She once posted up a list of her mods and one by one, she broadcast for all to see, which mods were loosing their mod spots.. She chewed them out for not locking topics, and she called them some harsh disgusting names..

She even went into peoples profiles and under their avatars, she posted up foul names, that I would not repeat . Yet, she had her very own team of boot lickers   All praising er every insult, all kissing up, hoping she will allow them to mod...It was sickening.....  I thought this stupid cow was mental.. I left after seeing her do that...

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:16 PM

Freedom of Speech was originally intended to allow people to express ideas and opinions, particularly those that are not "popular", without the fear of being imprisoned or attacked. It was not meant to infer that people could be crude, crass, vulgar, hateful and vile just because their lizard brains felt like it.

There will be rules wherever you go, without them there is always anarchy and chaos.
I agree that to have rules that stifle meaningful conversation just because someone doesn't like your views is not conducive to anything but in general having rules that help keep debates and conversations civil and diplomatic are what makes society and civilization in general more tolerable.

I agree that people these days have become so sensitive that many cannot or at least refuse to develop a backbone that lets them weather unpleasant ideas but if one is so sensitive that they cannot handle a view that doesn't dovetail with theirs then the problem doesn't lie with everyone else, it lies with the person themselves.

As a sidenote I was on a forum, years ago, where there were obvious favorites. Those who were the favorites got away with name-calling, swearing and basically ripping others to shreds while others would be threatened with banning because they used a mild "cuss" word.
Another site threatened to ban people if they didn't answer questions about their personal lives, claiming that if a mod especially asked then the other HAD to answer or be banned.
Sometimes you get in contact with mods who are either young or arrogant or both (not saying all mods who are young are like that) and they let their "power" get to their heads and they become abusive ****s.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:35 PM

I think it was given to us so we could speak out against the government.  That is why we have a free press, which obama and holder aretrying to stop.



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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:54 PM

View Postdanielost, on 29 July 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

I think it was given to us so we could speak out against the government.  That is why we have a free press, which obama and holder aretrying to stop.

Daniel, is there a thread that you have not managed to bring Obama into it?   We could be in here talking about - Free happy meals at  Mc Donalds on offer if you spend more than $5 on any meal, and you would be in saying - "Don't tell Obama, he will strip the kiddies of their happy meals and make you all pay for it.".lol  :P

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:59 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 29 July 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Daniel, is there a thread that you have not managed to bring Obama into it?   We could be in here talking about - Free happy meals at  Mc Donalds on offer if you spend more than $5 on any meal, and you would be in saying - "Don't tell Obama, he will strip the kiddies of their happy meals and make you all pay for it.".lol  :P
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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 29 July 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:



Daniel, is there a thread that you have not managed to bring Obama into it?   We could be in here talking about - Free happy meals at  Mc Donalds on offer if you spend more than $5 on any meal, and you would be in saying - "Don't tell Obama, he will strip the kiddies of their happy meals and make you all pay for it.".lol  :P

Nope, he would charge a tax for it.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:15 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 29 July 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Get the people of America chomping on Happy Meals, so they're distracted while the Government sneaks round to their homes and Takes Away their Guns.
Simple.

Yea, and claim Obama put them up to it lol


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View Postdanielost, on 29 July 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Nope, he would charge a tax for it.

All business have to pay taxes when they sell anything to the public, offers or not.. Taxes are paid ..Not Obamas idea either, it's went on long before he was heard of..

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