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Will alien life be post-biological ?


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#16    Ugly1

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 12:51 AM

View PostParsec, on 30 July 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

Welcome to Motoko Kusanagi (or Alita)'s world!

Anyway, I think it depends on the technology you would use.
If you just upload a copy of your mental scheme, it would be like a double. So you should still be you, and your robotic self a robotic copy, acting on its own. Like a clone, but mechanic.
If you'd project your thoughts in the machine, it would be like you wrote "a puppet with a puppeteer" (like Bruce Willis's "Surrogates").
If instead you'd upload your consciousness, your real self, I think it would be like a body transfer, so you'd become the machine, and your biologic body an empty shell.
Well, since for now this is all sci-fi, I think that all the possibilities and the answers are correct :lol:

Thinking back on the movie surrogates of how they made the population of non robots seem completely destroyed in the sense of physical wellness. I think it would be a major problem for live thought projection into a machine to make it complete tasks. There would be no point in having a surrogate do tasks for you full time as you would become frail, possibly obese, bed sores and any other long list of problems from lack of mobility. However for temporary assistance I do think that a surrogate system could be very beneficial. Imagine people in high impact jobs such as a construction worker or professional wrestler could simply send their mechanical body double in to absorb the wear and tear of the job.

Now that I've actually thought about this it does not sound far fetched at all for me to imagine that companies will be providing this in the future to some of their workers, for a cost of course. They can promote these machines as making an extremely dangerous job about as dangerous as watching T.V. while still giving the employee the "choice" in using or not using the machine. Keep in mind these will cost you money to operate (Deduct from you pay). Now that employee that chooses not to use the machine will be faced with the problem that they will not be able to keep up with the pace that the person that chooses to use the machine will be going. Now if you have a job where you are shoveling, climbing, lifting, etc and you are required to take a break every 15 minutes or so to rest, while there is someone else who could do the job without taking breaks for the entire 10 hour shift. I think you would be worried about job security. Due to this alone although you had a "Choice" to use the machine or not, there would never really be a choice in the matter. This would be a great way to make further profits off of your workforce while making your job safety record impeccable as far as job site injuries.

I feel like I am pitching a million dollar idea to an investor or helping a board of directors determine the best way to further expand profit making from their workforce. I'm available for hire. PM me. :tsu:

On another note. WTH am I talking about?


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 12:54 AM

Now I wonder if those aliens can turn into a Peterbilt 18-wheeler or a Chevy Camaro....

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:50 AM

No doubt about it


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 02:57 AM

Thermo Boost On ! THey Will Freeze us ,slice us Dice us And Dine on us ! It Could Happen ! :alien: :no:
Nah ! Were full of really bad taste !

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 05:24 AM

I honestly don't care if they are either organic or mechanical. What I care about is their attitude on us and other creatures of the Earth. I have no problem with greeting real life Autobots.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 06:00 AM

Of course what we are seeing on the sky are alien probes an alien drones.


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 08:46 AM

View Postbrainiac, on 30 July 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

Of course what we are seeing on the sky are alien probes an alien drones.
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or misidentified natural phenomena, terrestrial aircraft, chinese lanterns etc.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 06:44 PM

"If we ever encounter extraterrestrial intelligence, I believe it is overwhelmingly likely to be post-biological in nature."
Perhaps the same post/non-biological intelligence exists on Earth today. Perhaps non biological intelligence is older than biological one,...


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Posted 30 July 2013 - 07:15 PM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 30 July 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

What I care about is their attitude on us and other creatures of the Earth. I have no problem with greeting real life Autobots.
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but the flipside of that coin Ron, is of course, The Decepticons.....

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:06 AM

From the point of view people 50 years ago thinks that our live is that of a Sci-fi Book.
But From our point of view people 50 ahead of our time is that of a sci-fi movies.
Alien may just be a point of view from the future, Some planet travels at different time
than ours.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:51 AM

First, pfff.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 08:38 AM

I agree, but I'd add that artificial life is not limited to robots and probes. Artificial life could include sophisticated nanotechnology(like Stargate SG-1's Replicators) or artificial genetic codes(similar to the newly created XNA). They may be biological while at the same time a product of an artificial process, like some kind of vat-grown space explorer. After all there's no risk to the creator species to send such creatures to other stars.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 09:54 AM

If an alien sentience is mechanical (or non-biological) then the question should be asked if it is, in fact, life? While our [human] definition of life may not be universal, indeed it is disputed even amongst ourselves, it does stipulate by default a biological organism - hence the term Biology for the study of living organisms.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 02:30 AM

I think it likely that a great deal of extraterrestrial intelligence will be post-biological; or, perhaps not entirely post-biological (biotechnology is a viable field). A post-singularitan, technology-synthesized alien civilization is not impossible.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:11 PM

View PostArbitran, on 24 August 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

I think it likely that a great deal of extraterrestrial intelligence will be post-biological; or, perhaps not entirely post-biological (biotechnology is a viable field). A post-singularitan, technology-synthesized alien civilization is not impossible.

True, but much of this revolves around the assumption that mechanical computing is the equivalent of biological thought.

And capability is not equivalent to capacity, so the predictions about the total computing power of computers may not be applicable when considering artificial intelligence.

Life has sentience, and thinks. Mechanical devices compute. But who decided these two phenomena were either the same, or even so similar as to be considered "cousins"?

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