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Will alien life be post-biological ?


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#31    Arbitran

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 09:31 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 24 August 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

True, but much of this revolves around the assumption that mechanical computing is the equivalent of biological thought.

And capability is not equivalent to capacity, so the predictions about the total computing power of computers may not be applicable when considering artificial intelligence.

Life has sentience, and thinks. Mechanical devices compute. But who decided these two phenomena were either the same, or even so similar as to be considered "cousins"?

I'm afraid it's not really my area of expertise.

As a biologist with some knowledge of the brain's workings, I think computation could be a sort of "cousin" to biological thought. As I say, it's not my area of expertise, but I think it's a reasonable possibility.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 08:21 PM

I think it probable, for the reasons many have cited on this thread. No need to carry food or water, no worries about physical disability, and stuff like that.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 03:01 PM

It is logical to assume intelligent species in this galaxy, or any other, would build machines, probes, ships, AI, robots to explore the universe instead of risking living beings.
Yes, these machines could exist for perhaps thousands of years carrying messages from their builders.
Even at 1/10th SOL if sent 1,000,000 ago atleast 1 probe out of 1000 should have found Earth.

However, consider these questions:
A)Why hasnt the Earth been contacted by any probes or signals?
B)Earth has not been invaded, colonized, conquered, mined, by aliens.
C)Frozen embryos or DNA could be onboard probes or ships woken up upon discovery of a habitable planet.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:49 PM

View PostGomar, on 31 August 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

It is logical to assume intelligent species in this galaxy, or any other, would build machines, probes, ships, AI, robots to explore the universe instead of risking living beings.
Yes, these machines could exist for perhaps thousands of years carrying messages from their builders.
Even at 1/10th SOL if sent 1,000,000 ago atleast 1 probe out of 1000 should have found Earth.

However, consider these questions:
A)Why hasnt the Earth been contacted by any probes or signals?
B)Earth has not been invaded, colonized, conquered, mined, by aliens.
C)Frozen embryos or DNA could be onboard probes or ships woken up upon discovery of a habitable planet.
A) How do we know it hasn't? If a probe came into our solar system and hung out for 10,000 years, what fraction of the time life has existed on Earth is that? Even if we assume 2 billion years, then that 10k is 1/20,000 of 1 percent. They could easily have come and gone.

B) Same here. They could have easily come and gone. Gone why? Who knows? But the math says it could have happened easily.

C) See the Pan-Spermia theory, assisted by alien intellegence.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 11:46 PM

View PostGomar, on 31 August 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

It is logical to assume intelligent species in this galaxy, or any other, would build machines, probes, ships, AI, robots to explore the universe instead of risking living beings.

Yes, makes sense.

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Yes, these machines could exist for perhaps thousands of years carrying messages from their builders.

Yes, they very well could.

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Even at 1/10th SOL if sent 1,000,000 ago atleast 1 probe out of 1000 should have found Earth.

No. I think you underestimate the size of our galaxy. There is an estimated 100-400 billion stars in it and all could potentially have planets. The chance of a probe finding us is, to put it mildly, minuscule.

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However, consider these questions:
A)Why hasnt the Earth been contacted by any probes or signals?

Why should Earth have been contacted? And how? Radio signal die out pretty fast looking at these scales.

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B)Earth has not been invaded, colonized, conquered, mined, by aliens.

Again, why? E.g., mining is a lot cheaper if done from rocks in space. No need to lift resources out of the gravity well of Earth.

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C)Frozen embryos or DNA could be onboard probes or ships woken up upon discovery of a habitable planet.

They could indeed.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:42 AM

ANd the answer is ! YEs to All . Anything is possible we just have to wait and Keep on Looking Up ! :tu:

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:57 AM

To me it begs the question whether a machine, no matter how intelligent could truly be thought of as alive. I think true AI may be possible with quantum computers modeled on the human brain and perhaps self aware. They could be programmed to replicate themselves, but does this really equate to being "alive"?


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:18 AM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 02 September 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

To me it begs the question whether a machine, no matter how intelligent could truly be thought of as alive. I think true AI may be possible with quantum computers modeled on the human brain and perhaps self aware. They could be programmed to replicate themselves, but does this really equate to being "alive"?
It wouldnt matter If they Think they are Alive, Specially If there calling the Shots When we meet them? :gun:
They just might be quite a Bit smarter,and Stronger ! And wouldnt even need to Eat us,but maybe control us!

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:35 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 02 September 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

It wouldnt matter If they Think they are Alive, Specially If there calling the Shots When we meet them? :gun:
They just might be quite a Bit smarter,and Stronger ! And wouldnt even need to Eat us,but maybe control us!

Don't be so sure about that. Even we have the tech to build a robot powered by consuming organic matter...

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:47 AM

Yeah I guess it wouldn't matter if you were confronted by one of these machines. I was asking more in a philosophical sense


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:56 PM

your quite right spacecowboy342 ! AI machines that could infact be Thousands &Thousands of years in our advance,Could of actually gained the quality`s of Living beings ! We are on the threshold of this tech as we type. Maybe a few hundred years ANd were there ! So ITs going to be intresting to see Where we go and what they do ! :tu: My Mac is aready smarter than me !

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:37 AM

i agree with those thinking  ...  if it's not biological,  it's not life?

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:45 AM

View Postlightly, on 03 September 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

i agree with those thinking  ...  if it's not biological,  it's not life?
Definitely blurs the line though


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:58 AM

We shall see I bet sooner than Later ! :tu: JMO

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 05:38 AM

of course you expect no emotions you stupid humans





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