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#1    danielost

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:22 AM

The united states is the capitol of capitolism and it is broke why?

Why can't the federal government invest in corporations.

Why can't the state government invest in state corporations?

Not talking about government buying controling shares, but the none voting shares why not?

The government doesn't know how to run a business but it could collect dividends like everyone else.

I know when this country got started, we didn't have any real wealth, so we had to borrow.  This is no longer true.

If we could take our country out of debt, we could help more people.  The only way to do that is let the government make as profit like the rest of us.

I am also not talking about them buying risky stocks, just stick to the fortune five hundred companies.

Ok I am done with this stupid idea.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:45 AM

View Postdanielost, on 01 August 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

The united states is the capitol of capitolism and it is broke why?

Why can't the federal government invest in corporations.

Why can't the state government invest in state corporations?

Not talking about government buying controling shares, but the none voting shares why not?

The government doesn't know how to run a business but it could collect dividends like everyone else.

I know when this country got started, we didn't have any real wealth, so we had to borrow.  This is no longer true.

If we could take our country out of debt, we could help more people.  The only way to do that is let the government make as profit like the rest of us.

I am also not talking about them buying risky stocks, just stick to the fortune five hundred companies.

Ok I am done with this stupid idea.

Yes Dan, a bad idea. Investments are gambles. The governments money is our money. I don't want these denerates gambling with my money. It was a bad idea with the stimulus package and it's a bad idea now. Give US back all the money they don't know what to do with and we will make our own investments. We will buy stocks. Will will create businesses. We will create jobs. We will make investments thousands of times more profitable than them and when we do that they will have plenty of of extra money due to all the tax money flowing in from the wealth that We the People have created. And, fortune five hundred companies can crash and as far as I know when you invest into such a company via stocks you then own a part of that company and the absolute last thing you want is the government owning once private businesses or any business at all.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:50 AM

I  agree with you on the stimulus being bad.  But, that ended up with the government(obama) telling companies how operate.  He even fired the ceo of gm.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:22 AM

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:29 AM

View Postdanielost, on 01 August 2013 - 01:50 AM, said:

I  agree with you on the stimulus being bad.  But, that ended up with the government(obama) telling companies how operate.  He even fired the ceo of gm.

And he's just going to sit on the sidelines when he invests in already operating companies?

But it's a bad idea. No!


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:58 AM

We have to do something.  The liberals and most pf the gop will not stop spending money until e really do run out of money.  They have already destroyed our school system, to push forward their agenda of having government tell us what can wear or eat or marry.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:10 AM

Anyways, there are no amount of investment and profits that can be made to put the smallest dent into reducing our debt. All you would be doing is giving them the A-ok to spend and waste more money. We'd have better luck putting our entire debt on Roulette 00's.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:08 AM

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I  agree with you on the stimulus being bad.  But, that ended up with the government(obama) telling companies how operate.  He even fired the ceo of gm.

Good old capitalistic rule: Who owns the place gets to fire who he/she wants. At that time the government owned GM and did so until the government got most of its money back. I did not know that you are against good old time honored traditions... or is it just because you don't like the government and therefore willing to ignore traditions because of your dislike?

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:15 AM

View Postdanielost, on 01 August 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

The united states is the capitol of capitolism and it is broke why?

Why can't the federal government invest in corporations.

Why can't the state government invest in state corporations?

Not talking about government buying controling shares, but the none voting shares why not?

The government doesn't know how to run a business but it could collect dividends like everyone else.

I know when this country got started, we didn't have any real wealth, so we had to borrow.  This is no longer true.

If we could take our country out of debt, we could help more people.  The only way to do that is let the government make as profit like the rest of us.

I am also not talking about them buying risky stocks, just stick to the fortune five hundred companies.

Ok I am done with this stupid idea.

The overregulated welfare-state that the US has become today is about as far removed from "capitolism" (sic) as you can get.
And as you probably know, socialism always breaks down when it runs out of spending other people`s money...

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:22 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 01 August 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

The overregulated welfare-state that the US has become today is about as far removed from "capitolism" (sic) as you can get.
And as you probably know, socialism always breaks down when it runs out of spending other people`s money...

Tell that to the Germans or Norwegians or Swedes. The point is that you should not user more "socialism' than your society can afford. And the problem of the US is not socialism, it is paranoia spending.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:10 AM

'Capitolism' could be the better spelling for the type of economic system we're practicing in the US.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:10 PM

I think we can all agree that fascism is not the answer.  I admit, I'm clueless on how to remedy our current situation.

We have mega corporations in bed with our representatives and leaders...this is bad.  The lobbyist get their agendas moved to the top of the list...they have sway over things that prevent true competition in the market place.  This is also very bad.

We have backdoor corporate subsidies hidden and labeled as Government social programs (welfare, section 8 housing, food stamps) so the corporations can pay lower wages and reap higher profits.  Then you have the tax loopholes where the corporate taxes are not refilling the coffers that are being drained for said social programs...doomed to fail.  Prob sooner rather than later.

It's madness.  Greed and corruption are so entrenched, I honestly do not see a solution.  How do you remove greed?  How do you get rid of self interested, self indulgent narcissists from the halls of leadership and legislation?  I don't think you can.

I have thought and thought about it and as long as greed, materialism and the accumulation of "stuff" is what is most prized in our society...everyone is susceptible to bribery and corruption...

I have said it before...this truly may be the only answer...

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:49 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 01 August 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:



Tell that to the Germans or Norwegians or Swedes. The point is that you should not user more "socialism' than your society can afford. And the problem of the US is not socialism, it is paranoia spending.

The greeks, spanish, irish, italons, would listen better.  The problem of the usa is spending to much money on stupid things, such. As solar cell companies, adding a new entitlement prgram when we can't pay for the existing programs.

The reason germany doesn't have a problem is because their population is dropping, it is growing in the usa.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:53 PM

View Postdanielost, on 01 August 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

The greeks, spanish, irish, italons, would listen better.  The problem of the usa is spending to much money on stupid things, such. As solar cell companies, adding a new entitlement prgram when we can't pay for the existing programs.

The reason germany doesn't have a problem is because their population is dropping, it is growing in the usa.

The Greeks, Spaniards and Irish (and half a dozen more you don't mention or don't know) have committed a simple error: They have wanted what the Germans have without their economies being capable to pay for it, which makes them much more students of the American system than of the "socialists".

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:58 PM

Exactly, and you liberals want to put the us economy in the same place as the greeks.  Spend, spend, spend to pay for it raise taxes more taxes more taxes.  The french government is trying to make their rich pay 75% in taxes.

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