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#1    Yamato

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:06 AM

In a total Fifth Amendment FAIL, two suspects dump their rights into the sewer and talk to police.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:47 AM

What do you want them to do?  Not say a thing and be arrested anyway?  The first guy was honest and made the cop’s job easier, I know that is something foreign to you, but I know judges take being honest and telling the truth into consideration and are more lenient with the sentence. And the 2nd guy was just an idiot.

Edited by Odin11, 01 August 2013 - 05:47 AM.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 06:21 AM

View PostOdin11, on 01 August 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

What do you want them to do?  Not say a thing and be arrested anyway?  
To not forsake their rights, whether they're arrested or not.   Check out the experts I presented in the video on post #304 of the "Citizen of Israel" thread to understand why talking to police doesn't help you.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 06:34 AM

Slightly different since that man wasn't actually breaking the law - where as these are.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 06:39 AM

View PostYamato, on 01 August 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

To not forsake their rights, whether they're arrested or not.   Check out the experts I presented in the video on post #304 of the "Citizen of Israel" thread to understand why talking to police doesn't help you.

I don't need to check out the so called "experts" because I know it not true. Having a number of judges in my family and as friends and even more friends and family members that are cops I know exactly how to act and what to say and not say around cops, and its nothing like what you think people should do.

I have to ask, are you one of those people who have gotten in trouble with the law and now blame the police? You seem to greatly dislike the police.

Edited by Odin11, 01 August 2013 - 06:40 AM.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:41 AM

View PostOdin11, on 01 August 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

I don't need to check out the so called "experts" because I know it not true. Having a number of judges in my family and as friends and even more friends and family members that are cops I know exactly how to act and what to say and not say around cops, and its nothing like what you think people should do.

I have to ask, are you one of those people who have gotten in trouble with the law and now blame the police? You seem to greatly dislike the police.
I distrust authority that would use force control on people in violation of their liberty.    Is there a personal basis for this?    I think back to an ex-g/f who was propositioned by police to perform sexual acts on them for her DUI to be discharged.   I'm sure that her willingness to hum on their willies had nothing to do with justice for her DUI charge.   Police don't deserve any more benefit of the doubt than any other profession particularly when they're allowed to lie to us.   Police can and do lie all the time.   Why trust what isn't trustworthy?   Why confuse distrust with dislike?

I'm glad you know exactly how to talk to police (in order to assert our rights, right?).   It would be great for you to get a Youtube channel and provide some examples of that, especially when none currently exist.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:49 PM

View PostYamato, on 01 August 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

To not forsake their rights, whether they're arrested or not.   Check out the experts I presented in the video on post #304 of the "Citizen of Israel" thread to understand why talking to police doesn't help you.

You know what is one of the most important rights these people have? To make their own decisions. If they want to cooperate, they are asserting that right.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:36 PM

View PostStellar, on 01 August 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

You know what is one of the most important rights these people have? To make their own decisions. If they want to cooperate, they are asserting that right.

While people do have the right to be stupid, they should almost never assert that right.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:41 PM

View PostBama13, on 01 August 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

While people do have the right to be stupid, they should almost never assert that right.

Unfortunately I've seen it asserted here on this forum more than anywhere else.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:01 PM

View PostStellar, on 01 August 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Unfortunately I've seen it asserted here on this forum more than anywhere else.

If that is so then, IMO, you either spend too much time here, or you hang out with extremely bright people IRL.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:19 PM

You can not tell someone when and how they are to use their rights. That's a Dictatorship. Are you supporting a Dictatorship? Yamato supports dictators!

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:11 PM

View PostStellar, on 01 August 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

You know what is one of the most important rights these people have? To make their own decisions. If they want to cooperate, they are asserting that right.
If they don't want to cooperate with police, they are also asserting that right.  

View PostThanato, on 01 August 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

You can not tell someone when and how they are to use their rights. That's a Dictatorship. Are you supporting a Dictatorship? Yamato supports dictators!

...my brain hurts lol
Acknowledging the Bill of Rights isn't supporting dictators.  What a toolish foreigners' perspective that is.  We have explicit Constitutional rights codified in our rule of law in this country.   Our rights might be infinite, and I don't dictate what our rights are NOT like you have tried and failed to do repeatedly.   But I know a few specific rights that we do have, and they're in the Bill of Rights, and these characters in this OP refused to exercise them.   I have never implied that people can't throw their rights away by refusing to exercise them.   Instead, I've said in order to have rights, you have to exercise rights.  If you refuse to protect yourself with the rights you have, they're as good as gone already.   A world you would prefer Americans live in by the tone of your replies here.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:01 PM

Every episode of 'Cops' is an exhibition in how not to exercise rights.   Every edited cherry-picked episode depicts smart cops and dumb people throwing their rights away and incriminating themselves.  So in that, the OP video isn't very special; however, I wanted to find a video where the subjects were obviously guilty to show that even if we're guilty we still have the right not to nail our own coffin shut.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:26 PM

View PostYamato, on 01 August 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

If they don't want to cooperate with police, they are also asserting that right.  


Acknowledging the Bill of Rights isn't supporting dictators.  What a toolish foreigners' perspective that is.  We have explicit Constitutional rights codified in our rule of law in this country.   Our rights might be infinite, and I don't dictate what our rights are NOT like you have tried and failed to do repeatedly.   But I know a few specific rights that we do have, and they're in the Bill of Rights, and these characters in this OP refused to exercise them.   I have never implied that people can't throw their rights away by refusing to exercise them.   Instead, I've said in order to have rights, you have to exercise rights.  If you refuse to protect yourself with the rights you have, they're as good as gone already.   A world you would prefer Americans live in by the tone of your replies here.

He exercised his right to free speech. I have not dictated or tried to limit anyones rights. I won't bring in the other thread into here.

I might be a Canadian Citizen, but I have the same rights you do so I can discuss these rights in an open forum. But you need to read between the lines Yamato.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:30 PM

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If they don't want to cooperate with police, they are also asserting that right.  


Indeed. It is fully their right to do so, and it brings me to my point: Its wrong for you to act as if cooperation with the police somehow means people dont know their rights or dont want them.

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If you refuse to protect yourself with the rights you have, they're as good as gone already.


No, they're not as good as gone because the option is still them to exercise them when they so wish.

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