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Are disabilities the result of karma?


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#1    Elfin

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 04:37 PM

I've heard this so often, that disabilities are the result of bad actions in a previous life. I think it's a disgusting doctrine, and if it wasn't for this, I might actually take the idea of reincarnation seriously. Perhaps I still do, but I reject this particular notion.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 04:47 PM

Sometimes people are just stupid and repeat bs.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:06 PM

Here is what I was told or what I learned about this and I'm sure this will p*** some people off, this is not my intention BTW.



Yes, the same as be killed, raped, beaten and so on. To put it simply; What goes around, comes around in one life or the next. But the sword of karma swings both ways, you do good towards somebody and likewise good will be done unto you at some point through your lifetimes.


1. The golden rule is preached throughout the ages for a reason, it's a univerisal rule...not religious. Religions adopted it.

2. Karma is the result of how well you follow the golden rule.

3. Re-existence or reincarnation is the necessity to serve out that karma.


Therefore, all three go hand in hand.


No one gets away with anything in this world, sooner or later...it catches up with you. Good or bad. So in conclusion; You're here to learn what to do and what not to do, no matter how many lifetimes it takes you.


If that irritates people here, my apologies, I don't like it either, but the OP asked. IMO, something this controversial shouldn't be brought up in the first place. It just depresses people anyway, including me.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:15 PM

View PostPurifier, on 02 August 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Here is what I was told or what I learned about this and I'm sure this will p*** some people off, this is not my intention BTW.



Yes, the same as be killed, raped, beaten and so on. To put it simply; What goes around, comes around in one life or the next. But the sword of karma swings both ways, you do good towards somebody and likewise good will be done unto you at some point through your lifetimes.


1. The golden rule is preached throughout the ages for a reason, it's a univerisal rule...not religious. Religions adopted it.

2. Karma is the result of how well you follow the golden rule.

3. Re-existence or reincarnation is the necessity to serve out that karma.


Therefore, all three go hand in hand.


No one gets away with anything in this world, sooner or later...it catches up with you. Good or bad. So in conclusion; You're here to learn what to do and what not to do, no matter how many lifetimes it takes you.


If that irritates people here, my apologies, I don't like it either, but the OP asked. IMO, something this controversial shouldn't be brought up in the first place. It just depresses people anyway, including me.

You state it as if it were fact, but I reject it. Reincarnation may well exist, but I don't have to accept any religious baggage with it.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:20 PM

Being disabled myself, I reject it too, and thanks Elfin for the kind words!   :)
eta: In the Bible, Jesus' disciples asked him about a man born blind, and asked him "Did this man sin, or his parents, that he was born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither, but that the glory of God might be revealed in him". Imo this puts a hole in the karma theory...not saying though, that bad actions don't have bad consequences.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:22 PM

View PostGummug, on 02 August 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Being disabled myself, I reject it too, and thanks Elfin for the kind words!   :)

Thanks, yes, that's exactly why I choose to reject it. I find it personally offensive, as if I'm somehow being punished.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:24 PM

View PostElfin, on 02 August 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

You state it as if it were fact, but I reject it. Reincarnation may well exist, but I don't have to accept any religious baggage with it.


Just passing on to you what I was told. I try not to think about it myself, because it's depressing. Again, my apologies.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:25 PM

View PostPurifier, on 02 August 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Just passing on to you what I was told. I try not to think about it myself, because it's depressing. Again, my apologies.

I don't find it depressing, except in the sense that people actually believe such stuff.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:35 PM

View PostGummug, on 02 August 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Being disabled myself, I reject it too, and thanks Elfin for the kind words!   :)
eta: In the Bible, Jesus' disciples asked him about a man born blind, and asked him "Did this man sin, or his parents, that he was born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither, but that the glory of God might be revealed in him". Imo this puts a hole in the karma theory...not saying though, that bad actions don't have bad consequences.


I was temporarily disabled for a time, myself - twice, come to think of it. Once I broke my back in three places. But that's nothing compared to what you're probably going through now, Gummug. You have my sympathy and again, my apologies.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:36 PM

There are a multitude of beliefs and attitudes about what karma or reincarnation means. There is a belief that people choose a difficult life/incarnation including a disability or intense suffering in order to learn something. For a person who does not think of this one incarnation or earthly/physical life as all there is to their existence, this is believable.
Someone once asked me, "why would someone choose to participate in a violent, miserable life?". Well, why would someone choose to watch a violent, miserable movie?
To a person who believes that this incarnation is a temporary experience in a multitude of experiences there is not much difference.
Not saying I do or do not agree with this belief, just trying to give a different perspective.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:48 PM

I would suggest reading the Tibetan Book of the dead as a start....I highly recommend a text called "The word of Buddha" that explains the 4 noble truths and the eight fold path.  I have it as a text document but it would take multiple posts to put it here.

here is a link.  You can download it and save it to read at your leisure.

http://acc6.its.broo...ts/bud-word.txt

The objective of life is the extinction of suffering.  Buddhism is all about compassion and kindness.  It teaches that to be born again is to continue the cycle of suffering.  The pinnacle goal of enlightenment is TO NOT be born again.  I know many people do not know this but did you know that up until the 6th century, many Christians believed and embraced the idea of reincarnation...

http://www.near-death.com/origen.html

It is said that we "choose" the life we are going to be born into...that the lessons we need to learn are known to us and we pick a path to experience those things.  I am not sure I agree with that, but it is something to ponder in prayer and meditation.  Seek the knowledge in humility and it will be revealed to you.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:55 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 02 August 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

I would suggest reading the Tibetan Book of the dead as a start....I highly recommend a text called "The word of Buddha" that explains the 4 noble truths and the eight fold path.  I have it as a text document but it would take multiple posts to put it here.

here is a link.  You can download it and save it to read at your leisure.

http://acc6.its.broo...ts/bud-word.txt

The objective of life is the extinction of suffering.  Buddhism is all about compassion and kindness.  It teaches that to be born again is to continue the cycle of suffering.  The pinnacle goal of enlightenment is TO NOT be born again.  I know many people do not know this but did you know that up until the 6th century, many Christians believed and embraced the idea of reincarnation...

http://www.near-death.com/origen.html

It is said that we "choose" the life we are going to be born into...that the lessons we need to learn are known to us and we pick a path to experience those things.  I am not sure I agree with that, but it is something to ponder in prayer and meditation.  Seek the knowledge in humility and it will be revealed to you.

This is the sort of religious doctrine that inhibits understanding. I don't think that reincarnation is a bad thing, or that life is just suffering.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:58 PM

I don't believe in that past life thing because say you were a serial killer and over the course of several years you were killing people, eventually you were caught and sentenced to death.  Now say a kid is born and your trying to tell me that kid is going through hell because of what a serial killer did in the past. How would that work, would the kid even know about the past life. I just don't see it

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:00 PM

I am disabled, born with a birth defect and permanently in a wheelchair by the 4th grade. The question of Karma depends on how you ask the question, as to if its punishment or a gift. The reasons for this are many, in my case I believe wholeheartedly that I asked to be disabled in this lifetime. One reason being that had I not my life would have been terrible. I lost my Dad while I was a baby and my Mom when I was 15. If I weren't in a wheelchair I would have run away after my Mom died and ended up who knows where doing who knows what. The other reason is every kid in my family raised with me is great around other disabled people. They grew up with me and never had any prejudice toward people who were differently abled. One of my cousins wen onto become a CNA because she wanted to help people and was comfortable around disabled people. I think you have to look at the Karma of disabled people as being ripples on a pond and their interactions with others helps others. There is and can be a positivity attached to the belief in karma associated with a disabled person.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:01 PM

I will not argue with you.  Life is pain...it is a noble truth.

Buddhism is not a "religious" doctrine....it is a philosophy...big difference....it is a way of living.


I am...for the most part...well grounded in Christianity....however...I chose to explore the ocean of beliefs and philosophies in search of the ultimate truths.  Within all of them...Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Daoism...etc....is a fragment of truth.  Think of this mystery....at the fall of the Tower of Babel....not only was language confounded...so was the truth.  As each new language went off to establish itself, it took a piece of the truth.  Only when you can open your mind and comprehend this can you move on....

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