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Was the Old Testament god a demon?


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#1    Elfin

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:15 PM

Who managed to convince one small set of followers to worship him, on pain of death, and who has been expanding his power ever since, causing untold misery to billions of people?


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:22 PM

Yaltabaoth? ...according to some gnostic texts-Yes...That why Kathars, Bogumils and similar got to go.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:23 PM

You have a lot of hate in you.....I hope you find a way to let if go....

Best wishes.......

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:24 PM

Just an elemental god, no demon.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:28 PM

 Purifier, on 03 August 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Just an elemental god, no demon.


Its so hot here I wish rain falls.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:31 PM

If you are beginning with the assumption that a "god" is benevolent and a "demon" is, well, the opposite, then:

Imo, rather than a "demon" made into a "god" by his followers, I'd tend to go with a "god" made a demon because of his followers. In other words, humans being humans, can be very poor "god" followers and very poor god creators.

In my own personal belief, I think all religions' gods and demons are human-made and created in human's image and thus at the mercy of humans..Nice idea that just doesn't play out well

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:34 PM

 Elfin, on 03 August 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Who managed to convince one small set of followers to worship him, on pain of death, and who has been expanding his power ever since, causing untold misery to billions of people?

Keep in mind that it was very easy in the past to manipulate people as most were uneducated, illiterate and had no knowledge of the world around them other than what they read in mythology. It was only the priests and the rich who were privileged enough to have any modicum of education.

As such the elite held great power over the masses and what better way than to threaten them with eternal torment and plagues sent by a wrathful, hateful sky monster.

For generations this is how people grew, this is how most raised their children and in turn their children usually continued the "traditions". Fear was and still is a powerful motivator and impetus to make people do what you want, most could even be manipulated into committing atrocities all in the name of the religion of the day.

The cycle can only be broken by the individual.

Anywhoo..people believed then, as they do now, that all morals and ethics came from some outside source and that if you were not religious then you couldn't possibly be moral.

Sadly most any religion will allude to the idea that their way is the only way, that in order to live any sort of meaningful life then you must accept concepts that go outside the observable universe. (i.e be religious and bow and scrape like a dog beaten into submission.)

Edited by Ryu, 03 August 2013 - 11:34 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:34 PM

 the L, on 03 August 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

Its so hot here I wish rain falls.


You must learn to rain dance my alphabet letter friend. It helps.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:36 PM

 Jeremiah65, on 03 August 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

You have a lot of hate in you.....I hope you find a way to let if go....

Best wishes.......

I think it's ok to hate hatred. In fact, it's a moral obligation.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:45 PM

It's a pretty black/white look at things to call an entire system of beliefs hatred.

if we're going by the bible as is, then God created the world he can do as he wants with it.

The Old Testament is most likely people trying to explain stuff going on around them that they didn't understand.

A guy's family falls into a creavice that suddenly opens up, they don't know what a sinkhole is, so they think, "well, obviously they did something bad, the earth ate them."

If however the old testament is meant to be taken as literal and true, then while Harsh, God's not the monster that it's easy to label him as, because this was before society had formed solidly yet, so harsher measures were needed to be taken.

However chances of mercy are offered.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:51 PM

 Elfin, on 03 August 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

I think it's ok to hate hatred. In fact, it's a moral obligation.


Yes, but I don't think there's any WBC people on this forum...at least none that I could tell. You could try and find one of their websites and flame bait them from there. I'm pretty sure you would be highly successful with them, you'd probably get all the attacks you want.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:54 PM

 Elfin, on 03 August 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Who managed to convince one small set of followers to worship him, on pain of death, and who has been expanding his power ever since, causing untold misery to billions of people?

He's a narcissistic madman.

Edited by Mystic Crusader, 03 August 2013 - 11:59 PM.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:55 PM

In his defense...he does admit to being a jealous God.

we shoulda read the fine print

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:57 PM

 Elfin, on 03 August 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

I think it's ok to hate hatred. In fact, it's a moral obligation.

Exactly.

“Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.” - Blaise Pascal

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 12:00 AM

That was so long ago, who really can verify what happened?

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