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Did the Knights Templar worship Muhammad?


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#1    Elfin

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:44 AM

They were said, at their trial, to worship a being known as Baphomet, which is a medieval French corruption of the name Muhammad (Mahomet). They are further said to have used the word "Yalla" in their worship of Baphomet, which is a corruption of Allah.

Given that they had spent 200 years in Palestine, interacting with Muslims, is this possible, or just propaganda?


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:50 AM

If they had, then that would have been grounds enough for Papal castigation - no need for "praying to a skull" or "homosexual conduct" or the litany of other charges and accusations.
The Muslims were The Enemy (capitalized and all) of Christendom in those days, anyone who was a Muslim was The Enemy, an order of Knights that were Muslims would have been strung up and that justification used and no other.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:54 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 04 August 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

If they had, then that would have been grounds enough for Papal castigation - no need for "praying to a skull" or "homosexual conduct" or the litany of other charges and accusations.
The Muslims were The Enemy (capitalized and all) of Christendom in those days, anyone who was a Muslim was The Enemy, an order of Knights that were Muslims would have been strung up and that justification used and no other.

Unless all those other things happened to be true as well, and they were just being thorough.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:52 PM

Did the ancient Romans believe in reincarnation?

What kind of stupid question is this?

Who cares?

The Knights Templar were founded to provide safe passage to the Holy land....like every other order, the money and power went to their heads.  They may or may not have found something profound....until we flatten Rosslyn Chapel and see what is buried beneath....we will never know....pure speculation built on speculation....

Just like the pyramids and the sphinx....we will not know the truth until we are ready to rip them down in the quest for knowledge.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:55 PM

View PostElfin, on 04 August 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

They were said, at their trial, to worship a being known as Baphomet, which is a medieval French corruption of the name Muhammad (Mahomet). They are further said to have used the word "Yalla" in their worship of Baphomet, which is a corruption of Allah.

Given that they had spent 200 years in Palestine, interacting with Muslims, is this possible, or just propaganda?

Propanda.
I assume you are unaware of the circumstances under which they were persecuted?
Read some history.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:09 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 04 August 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Did the ancient Romans believe in reincarnation?

What kind of stupid question is this?

Who cares?

The Knights Templar were founded to provide safe passage to the Holy land....like every other order, the money and power went to their heads.  They may or may not have found something profound....until we flatten Rosslyn Chapel and see what is buried beneath....we will never know....pure speculation built on speculation....

Just like the pyramids and the sphinx....we will not know the truth until we are ready to rip them down in the quest for knowledge.

The Templars had nothing to do with Rosslyn Chapel.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:40 PM

View PostElfin, on 04 August 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

They were said, at their trial, to worship a being known as Baphomet, which is a medieval French corruption of the name Muhammad (Mahomet). They are further said to have used the word "Yalla" in their worship of Baphomet, which is a corruption of Allah.

Given that they had spent 200 years in Palestine, interacting with Muslims, is this possible, or just propaganda?

First of all, where did you get those informations? Who told you that those words were transliterations for "Mahomet" and "Allah"?

Anyway, I stick with zaphod and Wearer on this.
Even if your historical sources are correct, it's propaganda at best, and if it would have been true, King Philip IV and his allied Pope Clement V could've spared themselves a lot of work and troubles discreting the order.


View PostElfin, on 04 August 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

Unless all those other things happened to be true as well, and they were just being thorough.

They could even be true, but again, if they really worshipped Muhammad, everything else would have faded in comparison.
No need for other accusations.
it would have been like they worshipped directly the devil.


Anyway, simply put, the king of France wanted their money, and made up a fake process in order to discredit them and take their belongings (that were really huge)


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:40 PM

What were charges against them anyway?

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:28 AM

View PostElfin, on 04 August 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

They were said, at their trial, to worship a being known as Baphomet, which is a medieval French corruption of the name Muhammad (Mahomet). They are further said to have used the word "Yalla" in their worship of Baphomet, which is a corruption of Allah.

Given that they had spent 200 years in Palestine, interacting with Muslims, is this possible, or just propaganda?
Well, it's important to remember these admissions were extracted under torture.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 01:16 AM

View Postthe L, on 04 August 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

What were charges against them anyway?

Many charges against the Templar Knights included heresy.

Historically, such as the trial records say the knights worshipped Baphomet. To answer the OP, no they didn't worship Muhammad. They treated Baphomet as a type of old god, but worshipped Gnosis and the divine.

The knights were accused also of worshipping the Turin Shroud and a skull but there was no evidence for that.

The link with Rosslyn Chapel and the Knights Templar is the Sinclair family.

Edited by Rogue Suga, 05 August 2013 - 01:17 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 01:24 AM

Thanks. I read once that some fleet of their ships sailed and never come back after they were accused.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:41 AM

View PostRogue Suga, on 05 August 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

Many charges against the Templar Knights included heresy.

Historically, such as the trial records say the knights worshipped Baphomet. To answer the OP, no they didn't worship Muhammad. They treated Baphomet as a type of old god, but worshipped Gnosis and the divine.

The knights were accused also of worshipping the Turin Shroud and a skull but there was no evidence for that.

The link with Rosslyn Chapel and the Knights Templar is the Sinclair family.

They weren't accused of worshipping the Turin Shroud at the time, it didn't exist then. That theory came much later.

The link with the Sinclair family is also a much more recent idea.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:45 AM

View Postthe L, on 05 August 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

Thanks. I read once that some fleet of their ships sailed and never come back after they were accused.

Yes, the Templar fleet left La Rochelle just before the arrests, never to be heard from again. Stories of them arriving in Scotland, or Nova Scotia, however, are modern ideas.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:08 AM

View Postthe L, on 04 August 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

What were charges against them anyway?


Everything you can think of, and then some.

The King needed their money, and in the cangaroo trial that followed, everything plus the kitchen sink was thrown at them. The accusation that they worshipped Baphomet was just one of a litany of made up claims. It was a witch hunt, basically.

I assume Elfie came across this snippet without being aware of the background of the Knights Templar annihilation.

Edited by Zaphod222, 05 August 2013 - 10:08 AM.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:31 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 05 August 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Everything you can think of, and then some.

The King needed their money, and in the cangaroo trial that followed, everything plus the kitchen sink was thrown at them. The accusation that they worshipped Baphomet was just one of a litany of made up claims. It was a witch hunt, basically.

I assume Elfie came across this snippet without being aware of the background of the Knights Templar annihilation.
I'd just add that it’s almost interesting that one of numerous theories on origin of the name Baphomet is presented in many articles found through Google search as the only theory. It’s not the only theory. It could be and probably (in my own opinion) is derivation of Greek words, older than the whole Crusades thing.
Almost like it’s necessary even today to keep that witch hunt going, though Vatican has officially acknowledged Knights Templar were innocent in 2007.

Edited by Helen of Annoy, 05 August 2013 - 10:32 AM.

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