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#1    danielost

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:28 PM

We have a bunch of athiest and others, running around the country trying to have all religous symbols removed.  They are desrespecting not only those who killed in battle, but they are also disrespecting those who put these monuments up.  The sad part is that these men and women died so we had the right to desrespect them.  Sometimes when you have a right, such as freedom of speach, you shouldn't exercise it.

Stop this attack on our dead heros and their families.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:42 PM

I think a point they also forget that, in the U.S. at least, we have freedom of religion. If that offends people's perception of political correctness then they can move to North Korea, where they'll never have to see or hear of religion again!

In all seriousness there is freedom of speech, then there's just being a self rightous dick.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:54 PM

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Political correctness has created a tyranny of the minority.  It is absurd and has gotten WAY out of control.  When a person in 2013 can lose contracts and employment because of words uttered 3 decades before that are offensive now but were mainstream then, we have a serious lack of freedom at stake.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:56 PM

Contracts are different than the government removing symbols.

If a private company decides to not do business w/ someone anymore, that's them using their freedom to express their thoughts.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:03 AM

I agree with SkepticalB in that a private  company does have the right to determine how they do business, but the fact that does happen frequently, to me anyway, just says that people nowadays are slowly developing into a bunch of damn toddlers who can't handle a single imperfection in there illusion of how the world revolves around them and their beliefs... woo that was a mouthful!

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:06 AM

When I die, I'll probably have a Crucifix on my tombstone. If that offends someone in the future that's their problem. They do not, however, have the right to change my decision based on their offence.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:11 AM

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View Postdanielost, on 04 August 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

We have a bunch of athiest and others, running around the country trying to have all religous symbols removed.
We are not trying to have all religious symbols remved. Just the ones that appear on state owned land. Having them there violates the separation of church and state.

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  They are desrespecting not only those who killed in battle, but they are also disrespecting those who put these monuments up.
Those who died in battle died for the laws and freedoms of the US, Including the separation of church and state.

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Those who put up the monuments were in violation of the Separation of Church and State, working to fix those cases is out of respect of those who've died.

Stop using dead men and women to try to push your own agenda.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:12 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 05 August 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

When I die, I'll probably have a Crucifix on my tombstone. If that offends someone in the future that's their problem. They do not, however, have the right to change my decision based on their offence.
It's your own personal tombstone, no worries.


It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:16 AM

What symbols are they removing and where?  We are a secular nation, I don't want religious symbols on government land or on Government buildings. If you are taking about graves the grave belong to who is in it, so that would be an exception. It took a long time for Wiccans to be able to use a pentacle on their grave stone.  So I guess rights are really just for the right religion.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:18 AM

Shot in the dark, maybe they mean the Ten Commandments in some courtrooms?

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:23 AM

I'm glad we have separation of church and state. This keeps Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.. out of our state and federal buildings as well. So there should never be sharia based on our founding fathers wisdom.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:26 AM

View PostSkepticalB, on 05 August 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Shot in the dark, maybe they mean the Ten Commandments in some courtrooms?
One of the things he's complaining about, to be sure. I was actually at the courthouse in Starke Florida when the atheist monument was unveiled. The judge decided the best option was instead of removing the Christian commandments, to open it up to all.
Which isn't my preference, I'd rather there not be any monuments, Christian or Atheist.

View PostRealm, on 05 August 2013 - 12:23 AM, said:

I'm glad we have separation of church and state. This keeps Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc.. out of our state and federal buildings as well. So there should never be sharia based on our founding fathers wisdom.
Keeps them from putting one of the other groups under their heel. The idea was originally in place mostly due to how the different Christian groups actively discriminated against each other.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:27 AM

It's annoying when someone starts a thread with a blanket statement and then leaves before clarifying what it is they mean.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:38 AM

I'm going to assume he's jedi by faith and is upset there's no Star Wars posters for national monuments

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 12:39 AM

View PostSkepticalB, on 05 August 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

I'm going to assume he's jedi by faith and is upset there's no Star Wars posters for national monuments
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It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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