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#151    Mr.United_Nations

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 06:40 PM

any news? its gone dead quiet now


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:14 AM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 08 November 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

any news? its gone dead quiet now

No the McCann's vs Amaral libel trial is adjourned to the 27th, then expect another week of releases.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:24 AM

I read the articles about Ben Needham. That is one sad story, particularly the long piece on how the Needham family coped over 20 years following the baby's disappearance. So tragic, how the family was torn apart and the lives of all of them practically ruined. I have no idea how people get through traumas of that magnitude, especially those that drag on without answers as the years pass. It's a wonder anyone enduring such a nightmare keeps his or her sanity. My heart really goes out to the whole family. I can imagine the guilt all or most of them carry concerning Ben's disappearance. Not that I think any of them deserve blame; just that I'm sure they all do. For what it's worth, it really sounds to me more likely the child fell into a crevice or hole than he was abducted. It could have happened, of course, but an unfortunate accident is a better explanation. If that's what happened, I really hope the excavation turns up something. God knows that family needs some peace.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:34 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 09 November 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

an unfortunate accident is a better explanation.

I found an article describing the area as having wells! Now, that scenario reminds me of Jessica McClure, the Midland Texas toddler who fell through that 12"(?) well pipe in the late '80's.
Good Lord! If there are/were wells in that area, then that's where they need to search!

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View PostAaronsmom, on 09 November 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

I really hope the excavation turns up something.

Forgive me, Aaronsmom. I should have pointed out that the article about the excavation was from 2012, so they've completed whatever excavating they'd planned to do at the time.

Edited by regi, 09 November 2013 - 12:37 PM.


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Posted 09 November 2013 - 08:47 PM

Oh I'm sorry....I didn't realize. So nothing was found? Ach, that poor family!

If there were wells on the property, I would say that's probably the likely explanation. I'm surprised they didn't search all of them first off.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 07:20 AM

Looks like it's all about to kick off again. Another dead end, possibly  or hopefully some sort of closure for the family who have endured enough.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 07:39 AM

Doubt they will find anything.  Reading into it these are just theories.

One area to be dug up is a road that had road works taking place.  The met feel she may have wandered off, fell down a hole and workman filled it in not noticing the next day.  The other area is some wasteland, it is heavily fenced off and surrounded by apartments.  The ground would have been baked hard and it would have been a hell of an effort in full view many villas for somebody trying to conceal a body.

The beach was heavily searched in the original investigation.  There was a sighting of somebody lifting something in and out of a boat by the resort child worker.  Searches revealed nothing then and I believe the infamous dogs were used.

Reports say the parents have been informed this is purely to eliminate theories that were put forward in the early Portuguese investigation.

Only a week or so ago Scotland Yard claimed that three arrests in Portugal were imminent in the next few days.  Like so many of the stories and press releases they just vanish never to be acted or spoken about again.

This is an investigation that has taken 3 years so far, 30 detectives and 7 million pounds.  In this time not a single person has been arrested or questioned.  Detectives have flown to Portugal many times and a guy on another forum tried to freedom of information how many officers and how many times.  The request was refused.

I think the police have come to a point were they have to look like something is actually happening.

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 09:30 AM

Crimewatch neever really gave us an update, what happened to that guy that was seen wearin a red jumper with a large 0 in white? England Rugby jumper? the only theory i have is that why was the other girls not taken in the recent break ins? I sill believe that the McCanns are hiding something, family problems? who knows? and no one really knows about the family in depth.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 09:42 AM

View PostMonkfish, on 07 May 2014 - 07:20 AM, said:

Looks like it's all about to kick off again. Another dead end, possibly  or hopefully some sort of closure for the family who have endured enough.
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Posted 07 May 2014 - 11:51 AM

These investigators are impressive. It's evident they're conducting a thorough investigation as they continue to exhaust any and all leads in this very difficult (stranger abduction)- and very cold- case. :clap:


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 08:01 AM

http://www.parentdis...kukpare00000648

Seems someone who worked nearby wearing a logo t shirt, what happened to the guy with the Red shirt with the big O? looks like they are trying to get anyone who was nearby.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 08:45 AM

Sadly with a few notable and recent exceptions most child kidnap victims never seem to re-emerge.  I suppose having abducted, abused and murdered a small child, the evidence isn't too difficult to conceal. Digging up Pria Da Luz is probably not going to reveal too much unless it triggers some sort of reaction or recollection.

The interest generated by the family has no doubt driven  the investigations and the chances of them ever giving up without a solid conclusion is slim. Personally I don't see much hope and it's likely to blight their lives forever.


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:53 PM

i completly believe that she was killed , anywhere up to 2-3 months after she was taken, also , remember that her blood was found in the mccans rental car

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 06:19 AM

A small correction, Curious: it wasn't blood that was found. It was some tiny smear of something the Portuguese police claimed was a match to the girl's DNA. No one ever said it was blood. I can't recall now the details, but I read somewhere this claim was later disproved. It never made any sense to me how or why the child's DNA would be in a car the McCann's rented AFTER the disappearance was reported. That family was followed everywhere they went by cameras and reporters until they left Portugal. No way could they sneak off in the rental car to recover a hidden corpse to dispose of it somewhere. The press surrounded them every second they were in Portugal.

It's sad IMO how there are always members of the public who feel sure a missing child's parents or other family are behind it. Not just initially but forever. Yes, sometimes it IS the family, and statistically it's far more likely a missing child came to a bad end at the hands of parents/family members and the family covers up by spinning a "must have been snatched" story. But "more likely" isn't always. Quite often, children are taken by strangers or non-related people who know the child/family. That's what's sad, because often in true abduction cases, the parents/family remain under a cloud of suspicion by some when in reality, they are innocent victims too. It's still painful to me how accusing people were of the family in the Jessica Lundsford abduction, primarily, I think, because the family lived in a trailer park. They were regarded as "white trash" by many, and people assumed the worst of them. All the while, this poor little girl was being held captive a few hundred feet from her home by a paedoophile, enduring the most unimaginable horrors for days...until she was stuffed into a plastic trash bag and buried alive behind the trailer where she had been held prisoner. Very, very sad.

It's possible if Madeline is never found the McCanns won't ever accept it and will pursue the search until their last breath. That would be tragic. The parents of Etan Patz held out hope for years Etan would be found, alive and unharmed someday. Eventually, however, they came to terms with the likelihood of the boy's death and that they would never have answers, and they went to court to have Etan declared legally dead. I think most families of the long-term missing do accept the reality their loved one is lost forever. And they move on...as much as anyone can in a situation like that. Some may achieve a measure of healing,
and experience at least periodic joys and pleasures. For others, though, their lives really are ruined. I hope that won't be the case with the McCanns.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:52 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 10 May 2014 - 06:19 AM, said:

It's sad IMO how there are always members of the public who feel sure a missing child's parents or other family are behind it. Not just initially but forever. Yes, sometimes it IS the family, and statistically it's far more likely a missing child came to a bad end at the hands of parents/family members and the family covers up by spinning a "must have been snatched" story. But "more likely" isn't always. Quite often, children are taken by strangers or non-related people who know the child/family. That's what's sad, because often in true abduction cases, the parents/family remain under a cloud of suspicion by some when in reality, they are innocent victims too. It's still painful to me how accusing people were of the family in the Jessica Lundsford abduction, primarily, I think, because the family lived in a trailer park. They were regarded as "white trash" by many, and people assumed the worst of them. All the while, this poor little girl was being held captive a few hundred feet from her home by a paedoophile, enduring the most unimaginable horrors for days...until she was stuffed into a plastic trash bag and buried alive behind the trailer where she had been held prisoner. Very, very sad.

You've made a good point regarding stranger abduction, but I think if the Lundsford's were more heavily scrutinized, it was because the abduction was from the child's own bed.
(Now, I didn't follow that story as the events unfolded, but I'm familiar with the case.)
Yes, in that particular circumstance, the perp is often a neighbor and if not a neighbor, he's known to the family or knows of the family and so for that reason and without a doubt, the fact that Madeleine's abduction occurred at a resort makes it a far more complex and therefore, extraordinarily difficult investigation.





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