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#31    Moon Gazer

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 07:03 AM

View PostAntilles, on 14 August 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

Hold on. You start off by saying there's no jealousy then you say that Maddy's abduction has publicity because of who the McCanns are and the influence they have. That's not logical.

And I'm not replying now specifically to you but there appears to be a lot of what can I say? putting down of the McCanns especially from the Brits. I don't know the McCanns and I doubt any of you do either. I have posted with someone on another board who lives not far from them and speaks of them in glowing terms.

Doesn't mean much, I know but again, this malignment (I just invented a word!!) of the McCanns is the same as what the Ramseys went through.

We all agree, they made a mistake but they are the ones who have lived through this, not you. I have no idea how much they have suffered and are still suffering but what they did what was apparently a common thing at the time. Unfortunately for them and Maddie, they were targeted.

And Becky's Mom, while you're getting all steamed up about parents leaving their kids alone, sometimes both my parents worked at night and my brother and I were left alone in the house. We didn't burn it down, we didn't hurt each other, we didn't wreck anything and we weren't concerned.

When I said it isn't jealousy, I meant people were not putting the McCaans down because of their social status.  It's certainly not jealousy in that way.

With regards to the publicity, I just don't think it's right that one family would get so much publicity based on their social status compared to another family who were more "lower class".  Is that jealousy?  Maybe so, but not in the same sense as saying someone is jealous because someone has more money or a better job.  It's more that I am dissapointed that another family were not given the same chances that the McCaans were given purely because they didn't have the same social status.

With regards to people leaving their kids alone, it's up to the parents.  I just know personally I could never live with myself if something horrible happened to my kids all because I wanted a meal and a few drinks with friends.  So for that, I would never ever dream of doing it.

Having said that, I remember being a kid and playing out in the street on my own, sitting at on the kerb at the side of the road and I am pretty sure I was as young as 6 or 7.  There is no way I would let me 7 year old play out in the street on his own now.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 07:11 AM

View PostAaronsmom, on 15 August 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

I agree the McCanns had no opportunity to so efficiently dispose of their daughter's body that it's never been found. I do think it's possible she could be alive, being held somewhere by an unscrupulous person. If so, I do hope she's found someday. It's awful to think of what her life is like if she is still alive, but that's certainly a better outcome than if she is dead--or never found,

I think my biggest hope is that she was targeted by people who trade in children for money, that she was specifically chosen for either a likeness or a particular trait that there maybe was a woman / couple somewhere who wanted to "buy" a child.  And that although obviously illegal and a terrible thing, she was sold off to a home where she will actually be loved and looked after.

Sadly, statistics show this probably isn't the case but I hope from the bottom of my heart that it is.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:04 AM

View PostMoon Gazer, on 15 August 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:



I think my biggest hope is that she was targeted by people who trade in children for money, that she was specifically chosen for either a likeness or a particular trait that there maybe was a woman / couple somewhere who wanted to "buy" a child.  And that although obviously illegal and a terrible thing, she was sold off to a home where she will actually be loved and looked after.

Sadly, statistics show this probably isn't the case but I hope from the bottom of my heart that it is.

That's been my hope all along, and I think it's possible, based on how young she was at the time of her disappearance. You are quite right that although it's a horrible thing if she HAS been bought on the black market adoption circuit, at least she is with people who are taking care of her and not exploiting her sexually. Of course, there are so many whackos out there, who knows what a nutcase who steals a child might be like as a parent? At least it would be the most positive outcome of the scenarios that present themselves.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:08 AM

View PostAaronsmom, on 15 August 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

That's been my hope all along, and I think it's possible, based on how young she was at the time of her disappearance. You are quite right that although it's a horrible thing if she HAS been bought on the black market adoption circuit, at least she is with people who are taking care of her and not exploiting her sexually. Of course, there are so many whackos out there, who knows what a nutcase who steals a child might be like as a parent? At least it would be the most positive outcome of the scenarios that present themselves.

One of the things that makes me doubtful of that is why not her younger sister?  They were similar in looks and surely for that kind of thing, the younger better?  We can still hope though.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:34 AM

I was playing outside by myself at a lot younger than 7! I think I may have been two and a half or three. Not kidding. My mom would put me outside on a nice day after I was dressed in the morning and she would tell me to "go play". I know she wasn't supervising because I ran all over the place. All the way down the block to the park, and more than once I recall wandering off far enough to get lost and someone would eventually come looking for me. But it was a different time then and we lived in a very quiet suburb on the fringes of a rural area. Nobody worried anything would happen to their kids playing alone outside in a quiet little town. This was long before the age of "missing kids on milk cartons". I never let either of my kids play outside unsupervised when they were young. We didn't let the kids go to or from school by themselves either until, I don't remember when. Quite a bit older. I remember waking up from a nap before I was in kindergarten and my mother wasn't home. I called and called, but she didn't answer. I can't remember how long she was away, but she was over at a neighbor's having coffee. I very much doubt it was the first time she did it either. I wouldn't be surprised if she left the doors unlocked too. One of my earliest memories is being outside in a playpen, completely alone, my mother in the house doing who knows what. It's crazy to think of anyone doing that today, even in a quiet suburb. Looking back on it, I think my siblings and I were darn lucky nothing bad ever happened. Our parents too--although they sometimes indicated they wished someone would take us. I doubt they would have liked that really, though. I remember my brother disappeared off the street when he was 6 or so and he was missing a long time. My mother was out looking for him and she was nearly hysterical. He turned up eventually, of course. He had decided to try to find the store to buy candy. LOL Boy, did he catch it too!


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:33 PM

Aaronsmum we used to live in a back to back terrace so the house had no front garden, directly on to the pavement with road a few yards away.  As you didn't have a garden, washing was strung across the street very high up.  Apparently as a baby I used to love watching the washing blowing in the wind so my mum would leave me in my pushchair outside in the street just outside the front door while she went and made tea.  People wouldn't dream of doing that now.  I guess there has always been murderers and child molesters and kidnappers about, but I think life seemed safer back then.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:38 PM

View PostAntilles, on 15 August 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

Yelling even louder doesn't make you right.

No one yelled, but my point is made, and I stand by it.. You couldn't pay me to be so careless to leave my children alone while I go off out for the night..

View PostMoon Gazer, on 15 August 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

People wouldn't dream of doing that now.  I guess there has always been murderers and child molesters and kidnappers about, but I think life seemed safer back then.

Very true.   In my day we never knew what a child molester was, but now?  Its all over the place, more people now days are hitting hard at these things going on.. My dad told me that back when he was a kid, child molesters were blanked out by so many, no one cared to kick up a fuss as much as they do now...Some did, but it didn't get the same attention as it does now...In this day and age, people are hitting back harder than ever before..

There is one attitude I know I cannot afford to take and that's - Well, if it didn't happen to me, it wont happen to my own kids.. If I did that, it could cost me a lot of horror and trouble in the long run...Not worth it...

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 02:45 PM

There is a lot more public awareness today. In part, probably because there are just so many more people. But I think a large part of it comes from the advent of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:20 PM

Has anyone suggested a hotel employee?


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 10:47 PM

View PostMoon Gazer, on 15 August 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:



One of the things that makes me doubtful of that is why not her younger sister?  They were similar in looks and surely for that kind of thing, the younger better?  We can still hope though.

Very true. I thought of that too. If whoever took Madelein was part of a black market adoption ring, then I think the younger twins would be a better target. So that doesn't seem like the most likely motive. But who knows?


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 02:03 AM

Well I saw the show and nothing new really came out. Scotland Yard won't say why they think Madelein could still be alive. Someone interviewed said it might be as simple as SY says she could be alive because they have no evidence to the contrary. OTOH, if they do have more solid evidence to suggest she's alive then it would be stupid and reckless of them to go public with that and get specific. So nothing came from the broadcast that's new. They say they have 38 new leads to follow up on, but I recall hearing there were hundreds in the beginning and none of those panned out. So who knows? It would be great if any of the alleged leads take them somewhere that brings answers. Only time will tell.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 05:47 AM

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:22 AM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 15 August 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Has anyone suggested a hotel employee?

Interesting you should say this.  We could start with Charlotte P, who had just started at the creche.  She actually arrived on one of the flights the group came on.

She is originally from New Zealand, an actress that has been on a soap over there.  Now we get into the coincidences, she grew up in the same town where Kate McCann lived whilst she worked as a doctor in the hospital.  Bit of a coincidence but nothing amazing so far until you get to the bit when she did charity work in the same ward!!!

I am of course not saying she had anything to do with it, however she very quickly jumped into the circus.  I wonder if the Police where made aware at the time that they very likely knew each other?  All of this has come to light since the Police shelved the investigation.

Why did Gerry McCann claim he had no credit cards to the police, then hire a car on one a little latter?  

Why did the Government spokesperson immediately leave his post and join the McCann's working for them?

So many unanswered questions, these are just the tip of the iceberg.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:45 PM

@skookum: I don't understand what you're saying about Charlotte P. how does she figure into things and where are the coincidences?

About Gerry McCann's credit cards: what's your source on your claim McCann told police he had no credit cards? I never heard that before, and it doesn't make sense. Why would he tell police he didn't have credit cards with him? What affluent person doesn't travel with a credit card these days? Who would believe him that he didn't have one? They are staying in a luxury resort. How could they even get the apartment there without a credit card? Further, how would this question relate to looking for his daughter? What motive would McCann have for lying about something so trivial? What are you implying McCann would be hiding by denying he had credit cards? Frankly, the story isn't credible to me.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:51 PM

Oh also, I don't understand about the government official you say quit to work for the McCanns. Assuming it's true, what meaning do you see this having?





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