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#61    The_Student

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:53 PM

I saw a good documentary on this that suggested the police investigation was flawed: they treated Madeleine as a runaway rather than as a potential abducted child and there were numerous reports of strange characters in the area in the days leading up to her disappearance that were mostly ignored by the media. Unfortunately, it does look like her parents set up a perfect abduction scenario by following the same routine of leaving the children alone every night to go eat at the tapas restaurant.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 02:23 PM

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Mobile phone records may hold the key to solving the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, detectives believe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:58 PM

http://www.heraldsun...1-1226733658937

Well, apparently a UK barrister has told police an 'informant' saw Maddie McCann a few weeks ago.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:09 PM

Whats always bothered me about the case is why someone would take maddie, Who was old enough to know that the people taking her were not her family, And old enough to voice that fact too, And leave 2 babies who could not speak a word and would be harder to identify.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:30 PM

British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are releasing a new picture of a possible suspect.

http://news.sky.com/...ossible-suspect

Wouldn't that be something if they actually make some progress after all this time! I hope so.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:17 AM

View PostSheWomanCatTypeThing, on 06 October 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

Whats always bothered me about the case is why someone would take maddie, Who was old enough to know that the people taking her were not her family, And old enough to voice that fact too, And leave 2 babies who could not speak a word and would be harder to identify.

This is a good point.  I hadn't really thought about it like that.  Perhaps the kidnapper was just happy to grab the closest?  Or maybe she was awake and was grabbed to be quiet?  All depends what the reason behind it all was I guess :(


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:25 AM

The Portuguese police studied phone records and peoples movements very closely and all the files have been released and are freely available to read on the net.

It is all too convenient in my mind that all these break throughs, new evidence and reconstructions have just appeared appeared during a major libel trial going on in Portugal between the McCann's and the lead investigator of the Portuguese police.  A trial that is not going as smoothly as all the others they have breezed through with the backing of the feared libel solicitors Carter Ruck.  The solicitors apparently work for free for the McCann's yet this has never been explained why.  The solicitors also work for the British Government like their chief spokesman Clarence Mitchell who left as a Government spokesman to become the McCann's spokesman days after the abduction.

When Scotland Yard can explain why British specialist dogs gave a false reading on this case yet are regularly used as evidence in court to convict people in the UK, then I might take the rest of their findings more seriously.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:55 AM

View Postskookum, on 11 October 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

When Scotland Yard can explain why British specialist dogs gave a false reading on this case yet are regularly used as evidence in court to convict people in the UK, then I might take the rest of their findings more seriously.

I don't know what evidence you're referring to. (Scent dogs help lead investigators to evidence...they aren't the evidence.)


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 01:01 PM

View Postregi, on 11 October 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

I don't know what evidence you're referring to. (Scent dogs help lead investigators to evidence...they aren't the evidence.)

Well why they indicated cadaver odour in the apartment, gardens and hire car?  

Another thing I would like to add as I was talking to a retired superintendent on another site.  His views on Scotland Yards timely release of the photo fit man dubbed as jigsaw man is alarming.  Ask yourself this, they announced these suspects 6 months ago, yet have sat on the identities and photo fits to release them at this very carefully timed point.  Assuming the little girl is still alive that means she would have had to endure 6 months of possible mental and physical abuse while they calculated the best time to release the information.

12 months ago they were looking for 6 British cleaners in a white transit van.  Is jigsaw man a part of this?  What are the public meant to be looking out for?  Does anyone know or do we have to wait for crimewatch?  One that is now being put forward as a Crimewatch special, the case that captured the attention of the world,

Edited by skookum, 12 October 2013 - 01:36 PM.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:09 PM

View Postskookum, on 12 October 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Well why they indicated cadaver odour in the apartment, gardens and hire car?  

It's not clear to me what scent dogs indicated and where they indicated it according to the Portugal investigation, but obviously, current investigators don't consider it reliable information.
From what I know about the case, I'd find it contradictory to what I think the other evidence shows, and so I'd discount it for that reason and it appears that's what they're doing.
(Certainly, if they think she could still be alive, then that contradicts a cadaver hit/hits.)

View Postskookum, on 12 October 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Another thing I would like to add as I was talking to a retired superintendent on another site.  His views on Scotland Yards timely release of the photo fit man dubbed as jigsaw man is alarming.  Ask yourself this, they announced these suspects 6 months ago, yet have sat on the identities and photo fits to release them at this very carefully timed point.  Assuming the little girl is still alive that means she would have had to endure 6 months of possible mental and physical abuse while they calculated the best time to release the information.

12 months ago they were looking for 6 British cleaners in a white transit van.  Is jigsaw man a part of this?  What are the public meant to be looking out for?  Does anyone know or do we have to wait for crimewatch?  One that is now being put forward as a Crimewatch special, the case that captured the attention of the world,

I think if they were looking for cleaners in a van 12 months ago, then they were following leads of 12 months ago.

From day one, this case was among the most difficult to solve and all this time later, it's an almost insurmountable task. It sounds to me like they're bending over backwards to make progress and I can't imagine why their efforts would be criticized.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 05:44 PM

View Postregi, on 12 October 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

It's not clear to me what scent dogs indicated and where they indicated it according to the Portugal investigation, but obviously, current investigators don't consider it reliable information.
From what I know about the case, I'd find it contradictory to what I think the other evidence shows, and so I'd discount it for that reason and it appears that's what they're doing.
(Certainly, if they think she could still be alive, then that contradicts a cadaver hit/hits.)



I think if they were looking for cleaners in a van 12 months ago, then they were following leads of 12 months ago.

From day one, this case was among the most difficult to solve and all this time later, it's an almost insurmountable task. It sounds to me like they're bending over backwards to make progress and I can't imagine why their efforts would be criticized.

I won't argue with you but would like to give you this website for purely information.  http://www.mccannfiles.com/

It is probably a bit biased but does hold copies of the official PJ investigation and they are available original and translated.

The poor little girl has become nothing more than a brand name in my opinion.  She sells papers and captures headlines.  I really hope I am really wrong, but I don't think this will ever come to a conclusion.  

Why do I think that and what is all this about now?

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 06:47 PM

Skookum, I read through those lab analysis reports at that site and I didn't see any specimen results which would indicate anything...except one seems to confirm that Madeleine apparently drooled on her pillowcase.
I don't know what most of the specimens were, but there were some that didn't match the McCann's, nor any other known source.

Edited by regi, 12 October 2013 - 06:50 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:17 AM

http://www.dailymail...eakthrough.html

2 German speaking men, disregarded when Maddie went missing, are being sought.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:51 PM

View Postregi, on 12 October 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Skookum, I read through those lab analysis reports at that site and I didn't see any specimen results which would indicate anything...except one seems to confirm that Madeleine apparently drooled on her pillowcase.
I don't know what most of the specimens were, but there were some that didn't match the McCann's, nor any other known source.

I want to clarify a couple of things in that post. 1) There were specimen's which profiles didn't match the McCann family. Those specimens were identified as "cellular".
2) There was a specimen submitted a couple of months after the others labeled JRB/1 and that sample was referred to as blood. It bothers me that it isn't clear where that sample was collected from, if it was indeed blood, or if it was simply submitted to the lab as such. Regardless, according to the DNA results, it matched the profile of what was apparently determined to be saliva collected from Madeleine's pillowcase.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:52 PM

Madeleine McCann: Crimewatch to show 'fresh version of events'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24509235

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