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#151    Babe Ruth

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:17 PM

View PostTiggs, on 25 August 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

I've already stated that they are ad hominems.

Jeez, I forgot for a moment your authoritarian mindset.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:26 PM

View PostTiggs, on 25 August 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:


Not unless you wish to classify Syria as a terrorist organisation? Then we might discuss whether the epithet is warranted.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:27 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 25 August 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

Elimination of key personnel and key facilities perhaps.

I don't think anyone is in the mood for "pre-emptive" war that you advocate. That ship sailed.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:55 PM

View PostTiggs, on 25 August 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

that would be the Syrian government that's fighting, as it would see it, against terrorist organisations (some of them associated with Al Q)?

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:39 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 25 August 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

Jeez, I forgot for a moment your authoritarian mindset.
But not how to continually throw ad hominems, apparently.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:08 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 25 August 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Not unless you wish to classify Syria as a terrorist organisation?
Not particularly.

I think that illustrating Iran's willingness and ability to illegally supply WMD's to their tactical allies is sufficient for my purposes.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:52 AM

Geneva and NATO said some things, the UN says other things.  For Americans, the Constitution says still other things.    Squabbling about which law matters, and then the bombs and bullets show up to show which ones do, and might makes right once again and the "legal" cycle of violence continues.  The wimped, whipped world playing follow the leader continues.  The wars (the opportunities) continue.   I'm not sure how innocently we've blundered into the foreign policy disasters we've created, but having the truth out in the open so that we're even capable of acknowleding them is a good first step.   These incredibly brazen presumptions and acts of authority made by our government should be on the public stage for open debate among our people.   What is so necessary about this punitive and authoritarian alternative of jailing Manning for life and hiding the truth from the people?    Hiding the truth behind convenient legal cherry pickings doesn't convince me.  The greater crime is hiding the truth from the people.  

The US has been an offensive force in the world for far too long and we've bled and spent far too much already.   We've been arming the hell out of the Middle East for two generations now and we've armed our share of shady, despicable and evil characters in our time.  What rotgut hypocrisy to think that Iran can't do exactly what we've been doing for decades.   Because we don't like them, we can write our hypocrisy down on legal paper saying that we're allowed to do something and they're not, snapping our foreign policy's backbone in two for having no principle whatever.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:57 AM

View Postjoc, on 23 August 2013 - 01:27 PM, said:

Furthermore;  Sanctions not withstanding...what could anyone really do 'to' Iran, militarily speaking, without erupting the entire region in a Hellish war?
Why would anyone?   Does the US deserve to be attacked by foreign countries for its "terrorism" too?

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:03 AM

View PostThanato, on 12 August 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:


The Western Military Defends Democracy, but we do not practice it. We are war fighters, our job is not pretty and we are willing to do terrible things to ensure that you can live the life you do.

And that right there is the problem I have with people in the military. If you guys weren't out there killin people I would still be living the exact same life I do. You need to realize that what you are doin is making the world LESS stable and a more violent place. You're all brainwashed into thinking you're securing the freedoms of your family and the people back home but all you are in reality is publicly funded mercenaries for corrupt politicians and empires who lie and deceive and do not care about you or the innocemt people who die and the hands of it military. Fortunately a lot of military personnel are coming to realize that.


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 07:23 AM

View PostTiggs, on 25 August 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

I have absolutely no idea what should be done. I don't see any good long term solutions that don't involve regime change, to be honest - and that's partly what started the whole mess in the first place. My best guess is that the Powers Who Be are sabotaging the nuclear program in hope that the Arab spring will finally roll into Iran before it's operational.


You mean they're hoping for another civil war, in Iran this time as well? so that will give them an excuse for Military Intervention (sorry, "Surgical Missile Strikes")?

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:02 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 27 August 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

You mean they're hoping for another civil war, in Iran this time as well? so that will give them an excuse for Military Intervention (sorry, "Surgical Missile Strikes")?
They won't get involved unless they absolutely have to. Much cleaner to get the CIA to fund and run a proxy war, than risk direct American assets.

If they can drag Iran down into Syria, though - then, from the CIA's perspective - that would be the perfect time for an Iranian civil war to kick off.


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 08:46 PM

View Postninjadude, on 25 August 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

I don't think anyone is in the mood for "pre-emptive" war that you advocate. That ship sailed.
I'm just being practical. If a handful of Iranian scientists and politicians died, it would save thousands or tens of thousands of lives if a war breaks out. Not to mention infrastructure saved, and resources of food, fuel and machinery.

It doesn't have to be a war. It would be a "Surgical Strike", like was used to remove Osama bin Ladin. Only with a lot less proof.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:11 PM

Except the Iranians deserve to have their infrastructure, resources, food, fuel and machinery.   And who do we think we are to say otherwise?

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:14 PM

View Postninjadude, on 25 August 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

I don't think anyone is in the mood for "pre-emptive" war that you advocate. That ship sailed.
Right, how could we possibly remember that Obama has been bombing five Muslim countries, three (arguably four) of which Bush didn't start pre-emptive wars on.   It's foreign policy pixie dust!   When Obama starts a preemptive war, somehow it's not preemptive war!   Just say the ship has sailed, and whoa la, there it goes.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:09 AM

View PostYamato, on 27 August 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

Except the Iranians deserve to have their infrastructure, resources, food, fuel and machinery.   And who do we think we are to say otherwise?
Exactly. Wouldn't eliminating some scientific leadership be better then destroying all that?

Perhaps we don't even need to kill these people. Perhaps we offer $10 million to the top 10 nuclear scientists and the same to the top 10 politicians involved? And homes in Lake Tahoe? Is economic warfare better or worse? The point would be that the people motivating the projects would be gone.

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