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#31    Myles

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 02:23 PM

 Nembus, on 14 August 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:


Crackpot? lol

Is that how you dismiss everything of no value to back up your own opinion? :)


I remember one time one gave me the argument that Plato was 'high' and that he invented that story through 'tripping' :). The guy was also a historian. I expected a better argument than that. From both you and him :).

I'm not sure they owe you an arguement at all.   There is not any evidence of Atlantis being real.   The burdon of proof is on the believers.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 02:56 PM

 Myles, on 14 August 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

I'm not sure they owe you an arguement at all.   There is not any evidence of Atlantis being real.   The burdon of proof is on the believers.

Antarctica has all the evidence it needs. I don't owe anyone an argument why either. Wanna disprove? Go ahead, but one should not expect solid, scientific arguments if they can't provide any in return. There is nothing solid or scientific by calling people junkies or charlatans.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 03:10 PM

 Mario Dantas, on 14 August 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:



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Hello,

It seems i just can't shut up when it comes to Atlantis



Regards,
Mario Dantas

I have that problem too Mario. :tu:

Edited by The Puzzler, 14 August 2013 - 03:13 PM.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 04:58 PM

 Nembus, on 14 August 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:


Antarctica has all the evidence it needs. I don't owe anyone an argument why either. Wanna disprove? Go ahead, but one should not expect solid, scientific arguments if they can't provide any in return. There is nothing solid or scientific by calling people junkies or charlatans.

Antarctica is evidence of Atlantis?  
You cannot provide solid scientific evidence to disprove something that never existed.


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:00 PM

 Myles, on 14 August 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Antarctica is evidence of Atlantis?  
You cannot provide solid scientific evidence to disprove something that never existed.

Antarctica doesn't exist?


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:04 PM

 Nembus, on 14 August 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:


Crackpot? lol

Is that how you dismiss everything of no value to back up your own opinion? :)


I remember one time one gave me the argument that Plato was 'high' and that he invented that story through 'tripping' :). The guy was also a historian. I expected a better argument than that. From both you and him :).

Nope, that's how I dismiss BS pretending it's relevant to a discussion of Plato's Atlantis, which is the only version of the tale with any merit since it is the original. Anything less is just a reinterpretation of the story in order to rationalize it into existance, so therefore meaningless. That you wish to portray your fiction as some version of the truth says more about you than it does about any claim to Atlantis' existance.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:09 PM

 cormac mac airt, on 14 August 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Nope, that's how I dismiss BS pretending it's relevant to a discussion of Plato's Atlantis, which is the only version of the tale with any merit since it is the original.
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... But its not the original ...


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:15 PM

 Nembus, on 14 August 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:


... But its not the original ...

And your evidence for the tale of Atlantis by name, specifically predating Plato's tale, would be what?

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:35 PM

 cormac mac airt, on 14 August 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

And your evidence for the tale of Atlantis by name, specifically predating Plato's tale, would be what?

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Why does it have to have the same name?


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:41 PM

 Nembus, on 14 August 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:


Why does it have to have the same name?

Why are you evading the question? Do you have any evidence of a place, as located by Plato and of the correct timeframe, that could even remotely be misconstrued as Atlantis? Because the location as well as the timeframe is just as important as the name. If not, then it's a moot point.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:43 PM

 cormac mac airt, on 14 August 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Why are you evading the question? Do you have any evidence of a place, as located by Plato and of the correct timeframe, that could even remotely be misconstrued as Atlantis? Because the location as well as the timeframe is just as important as the name. If not, then it's a moot point.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:57 PM

 Nembus, on 14 August 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:


Auritea

In other words, no evidence. Ok, thanks.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 06:36 PM

 Nembus, on 14 August 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:


Antarctica doesn't exist?
What are you trying to say.   I'm confused.
When asked for evidence that Atlantis was real, you responded with "Antarctica has all the evidence it needs".    Can you explain what that means?


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:33 PM

 cormac mac airt, on 14 August 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Nope, that's how I dismiss BS pretending it's relevant to a discussion of Plato's Atlantis, which is the only version of the tale with any merit since it is the original. Anything less is just a reinterpretation of the story in order to rationalize it into existance, so therefore meaningless. That you wish to portray your fiction as some version of the truth says more about you than it does about any claim to Atlantis' existance.

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Not to name names, but there are people who will ransack language (in the most vulgar fashion) to try to "prove" their point: they think anything with the letters Atl refer specifically to Atlantis, and that any mention of those letters is a specific reference to Plato's city. This almost always blatantly ignores that 'Atlantic', and all the various Greek forms of it, refer to Atlas, Posiedon and their descendants.

All too often the kind of people who hear and repeat that (if not expanding on it) are not people who speak Greek and don't have the linguistic chops to justify their assertions.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:49 PM

 Myles, on 14 August 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

What are you trying to say.   I'm confused.
When asked for evidence that Atlantis was real, you responded with "Antarctica has all the evidence it needs". Can you explain what that means?
I heard Atlantis had a baseball team.  I've even seen a hat with ATL Braves on it.   I assume it is in reference to how brave the residents of Atlantis were.





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