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#1    seeder

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:29 AM

Millions upon millions of fish are suddenly dying in mass death events all over the world, and nobody seems to know why it is happening.  In many of the news reports that are linked to below, locals are quoted as saying that they have never seen anything like this before.  So is there a connection between all of the fish deaths that are now occurring all over the planet?  If there is a connection, is there anything that we can do to stop the fish die-off?  Sadly, because the big mainstream news networks in the United States have been virtually silent about this phenomenon, most Americans have absolutely no idea that it is happening.  Millions of fish are dying in mass death events every single month and most of the public is totally clueless.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:54 AM

Oxygen starvation caused by sudden changes in ocean current and hot water plumes are the most likely cause. Solve Climate change is what we can do about it.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:58 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 13 August 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Oxygen starvation caused by sudden changes in ocean current and hot water plumes are the most likely cause. Solve Climate change is what we can do about it.

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Ok but the list also showed many fish farms and ponds experienced the same tho, so no ocean issues in ponds right?

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 10:06 AM

View Postseeder, on 13 August 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

Ok but the list also showed many fish farms and ponds experienced the same tho, so no ocean issues in ponds right?
Ponds life is more prone to asphyxiation than open waters. This is because they tend to heat up quicker in heatwaves which lowers the solubility of oxygen in the water.
Most closed bodies of water are subject to nutrient enrichment (mainly through sewage and slurry wastes) and this causes algal blooms. Alga produces a super abundance of oxygen in the daytime but most is lost to the atmosphere because of the low solubility of oxygen in warm water. At night all the alga stops photosynthesising and starts respiring which depletes oxygen and boosts dissolved Carbon dioxide. This diurnal nigh-day cycling of oxygen-CO2 is both highly stressful to animals and can lead to total oxygen starvation at the peak of the night time cycle.

Another factor is oil spills - a single gallon of diesel can be enough to cover the surface of a small lake causing total oxygen starvation underneath.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 11:01 AM

According to the Maryland Department of the Environment, the  latest Chesapeake kill was probably due to COLD WATER.

http://www.nbcnews.c...y/#.UgoQi8u9KSM

Note, source is "mainstream" media.

You guys need to learn to be a bit more skeptical about these things.  Especially when, as in this case, the first couple pages that come up when you Google "millions of fish dying" are all from questionable and conspiracy sites.  Fish kills happen all of the time all over the world - always have and always will - for a multitude of reasons.   Some are caused by man, but many are completely natural.





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Posted 13 August 2013 - 11:23 AM

View Postseeder, on 13 August 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

Millions upon millions of fish are suddenly dying in mass death events all over the world, and nobody seems to know why it is happening.  In many of the news reports that are linked to below, locals are quoted as saying that they have never seen anything like this before.  So is there a connection between all of the fish deaths that are now occurring all over the planet?  If there is a connection, is there anything that we can do to stop the fish die-off?  Sadly, because the big mainstream news networks in the United States have been virtually silent about this phenomenon, most Americans have absolutely no idea that it is happening.  Millions of fish are dying in mass death events every single month and most of the public is totally clueless.

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Very interesting Seeder.

First of all I do not claim to know the answer.  I have heard anecdotal stories about this over the years but I guess the bee issue which is equally puzzling has occupied my thoughts more.

My gut feel is that there is a connection with polarity change of the earth's magnetic field which scientists seem to agree has happened before and is happening again.

How his impacts on fish is not clear to me and it would clearly need more research.

Edited by zoser, 13 August 2013 - 11:25 AM.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 12:34 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 13 August 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Oxygen starvation caused by sudden changes in ocean current and hot water plumes are the most likely cause. Solve Climate change is what we can do about it.

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Brutha I am on the fence with climate change.  I lean toward the problem being serious enough that some action needs to be taken but the stumbling block for me is that those who are pushing this cause seem to discount the effects that non-western economies are having.  As with all things political, the issue is reduced to raising money forcibly and by controlling behaviors.  There is no world body that can do this right now.  If the US and all other western economies took the hit, India and China alone would remain standing and they would STILL be causing the damage that climate change protesters are worrying about.  A "carbon tax" has to be the most remarkable invention of this century.  Human beings are capable of real flights of fancy and that is fine UNTIL it enslaves people.  We as a species are addicted to ease and comfort and fossil fuels provide both.  Unless we ALL recognize and resolve to solve this issue then piecemeal solutions are not going to do any long term good.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:12 PM

View Postand then, on 13 August 2013 - 12:34 PM, said:

Brutha I am on the fence with climate change.  I lean toward the problem being serious enough that some action needs to be taken but the stumbling block for me is that those who are pushing this cause seem to discount the effects that non-western economies are having.  As with all things political, the issue is reduced to raising money forcibly and by controlling behaviors.  There is no world body that can do this right now.  If the US and all other western economies took the hit, India and China alone would remain standing and they would STILL be causing the damage that climate change protesters are worrying about.  A "carbon tax" has to be the most remarkable invention of this century.  Human beings are capable of real flights of fancy and that is fine UNTIL it enslaves people.  We as a species are addicted to ease and comfort and fossil fuels provide both.  Unless we ALL recognize and resolve to solve this issue then piecemeal solutions are not going to do any long term good.

I agree - although I am a believer in climate change.

My issue is that all of the "solutions" seem to come right out of the Far Left/Communist/Socialist/Anti-West/Anti-Capitalist playbook while some of the biggest "polluters" on the planet get a pass.

I recall getting railed on by a liberal "friend" of mine for using disposable diapers when my first daughter was born.  She was telling me what a terrible person I was, how horrible the diapers were for the planet, etc.  I said something to the effect of, "No worries.  It's all good.  I planted three trees and switched all of my light bulbs over to CFLs to offset my carbon footprint.  She was speechless after that.

Simple example, but it illustrates the absurdity of the whole debate if you ask me.

Edited by Rafterman, 13 August 2013 - 01:15 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:41 PM

Well in BC, we're having another dismally low Sockeye run... the Fraser is too warm so something like only 30-40 % of the sockeye are reaching the spawning grounds... :/ And its another Sockeye year down the drain. That being said Pinks seem to be having a banner year...moreso then most odd years :)


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:42 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 13 August 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Oxygen starvation caused by sudden changes in ocean current and hot water plumes are the most likely cause. Solve Climate change is what we can do about it.

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Climate change has been around as long as the earth has. It's part of its life cycle.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:02 PM

I bet the 300 tonnes of contaminated Fukushima water that goes into the ocean isn't helping.. though I wouldn't really know... just saying.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:02 PM

The Indian River Lagoon, upon which I live, is now experiencing on its northern end the death of all the seagrasses that grow, about 60 miles of the lagoon.  The scientists are not certain of the cause, but the future of young fish who grow there is very uncertain.

Climate change or the influence of humans?  Nobody knows yet.  Periodic fish die-offs have happened for years, though usually localized.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:18 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 19 August 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

The Indian River Lagoon, upon which I live, is now experiencing on its northern end the death of all the seagrasses that grow, about 60 miles of the lagoon.  The scientists are not certain of the cause, but the future of young fish who grow there is very uncertain.

Climate change or the influence of humans?  Nobody knows yet.  Periodic fish die-offs have happened for years, though usually localized.
What do you mean by "India River"? it makes no sense

Apologies, I have just found it in Florida....

Edited by keithisco, 19 August 2013 - 03:19 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 10:55 PM

Biologist: Pacific herring in Canada bleeding from eyeballs, faces, fins, tails — I’ve never seen fish looking this bad — All 100 examined were bloody — Officials informed of hemorrhaging soon after 3/11 — Gov’t ignoring problem (PHOTO)

The Globe and Mail, Aug 13, 2013 (Emphasis Added): Independent fisheries scientist Alexandra Morton is raising concerns about a disease she says is spreading through Pacific herring causing fish to hemorrhage. [...] “Two days ago I did a beach seine on Malcolm Island [near Port McNeill on northern Vancouver Island] and I got approximately 100 of these little herring and they were not only bleeding from their fins, but their bellies, their chins, their eyeballs.  [...] “It was 100 per cent … I couldn’t find any that weren’t bleeding to some degree. And they were schooling with young sockeye [salmon]”

http://enenews.com/b...n-summer-of-201

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Unprecedented: Sockeye salmon at dire historic low on Canada’s Pacific coast — “We think something happened in the ocean” — “The elders have never seen anything like this at all” — Alaska and Russia also affected (MAP)

Aboriginal people in British Columbia who rely on Skeena River sockeye are facing some extremely difficult decisions as sockeye salmon returns plunge to historic lows.

Lake Babine Chief Wilf Adam was on his way to Smithers, B.C., on Monday for a discussion about whether to entirely shut down the food fishery on Lake Babine, something he said would be drastic and unprecedented [...]

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Fish and chips anyone?




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Edited by seeder, 20 August 2013 - 10:56 PM.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:59 AM

View Postseeder, on 20 August 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:


Fish and chips anyone?


I recently ate some fish and chips, and the fish had an odd metallic taste.

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