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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 02:30 PM

Egypt's presidency has declared a state of emergency after scores of people were killed when security forces stormed protest camps in Cairo.

The camps had been occupied by supporters of former president Mohammed Morsi, who was deposed in early July.

Security forces say 95 people have been killed, but the Muslim Brotherhood says hundreds have died.

The state of emergency will begin at 16:00 local time (1400 GMT), and last for a month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-23700663

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:28 PM

Here we go again.....

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:31 PM

I just seen protesters blaming the US and the west for not intervening...no matter what happens we seem to take the blame :unsure2:


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:34 PM

Seems the BBC supported the Brotherhood long before this. Though there is confusion who actually killed the protesters


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 10:13 PM

 The New Richard Nixon, on 14 August 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Seems the BBC supported the Brotherhood long before this. Though there is confusion who actually killed the protesters

The 'peaceful' victims and their handiwork?!

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:27 AM

The military is in a no-win.  They waited six weeks and they did so because they KNEW this was probably how it would unfold.  There are secularists and Islamists (as I see it) vying for control of Egypt and if the Islamists win EVERYONE will suffer.  If the secularists win then only those who resort to violence will suffer.  Oversimplified and maybe totally wrong, but that is how I see it.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:42 AM

It's a shame to imagine all of the people caught in the crossfire..

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 05:21 AM

I think Secretary of State John Kerry, summed it up best by the look on his face, during yesterday's press conference.

President Obama couldn't have picked a better man to fill this important post, but he is powerless to stop what is coming, as is the rest of the world.

As some of you may know, I have a special fondness for Egypt. I believe they could have a great future, but they may have missed their chance, sadly. The tables seem to have turned against them, towards a Syrian style civil war, but with a population that is much larger.

What this means is dire indeed, because it will frighten Israel, and may cause her to attack Iran sooner, and that would add to the threat of a civil war in Egypt, with or without military assistance from the U.S.

I recommended months ago right here, that the U.S. government stop giving money to the Egyptian military, because the time for bribes had long past. That recommendation was ignored, despite the fact that I arguably saw the Egyptian revolution coming, long before the State Department. I recommended that they provide economic support the Egyptian people, instead. At least we could have saved face, but we did not, and now the Egyptians will hate U.S. for supporting the next dictator, who will be far worse than Mubarak. He will be a devil that will kill many, if he is allowed to come to power, and the military will support him with open arms, as they did Mubarak.

The United States should cut off all assistance to the Egyptian military, at once, while there's still time to save some face. These people need hope, not guns. If this is done, there may still be a chance to rescue the Egyptian people, from this evil dictator who waits in the wings. I don't know who he is but there could be a clue in my writings here.

There are some smart folks at the NSA. Weren't there two hidden truths in what I published here, before the revolution began, even arguably showing the direction it would likely take?

One path leads to death, another to life ... and it was standing left in front of you, and them.

Choose life Egypt, choose the left without any fear or reservation, and demand the U.S. stop supplying weapons to your military.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 05:28 AM

It is the Jihad. The Muslim Brotherhood is convinced it is acting behalf of god, so they are never going to give up.
The only way for modernity to survive in Egypt is to ban the Muslim Brothers again.

Alas, the idiotic governments in Washington and Brussels are in bed with the MB.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 09:19 AM

Egypt awakes from curfew as official death toll rises to 421



Good luck Egypt.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:18 PM

 Zaphod222, on 15 August 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

It is the Jihad. The Muslim Brotherhood is convinced it is acting behalf of god, so they are never going to give up.
The only way for modernity to survive in Egypt is to ban the Muslim Brothers again.

Alas, the idiotic governments in Washington and Brussels are in bed with the MB.
so you dont condemn the militarys actions? Kinda like a genocide?


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 05:23 PM

 The New Richard Nixon, on 15 August 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

so you dont condemn the militarys actions? Kinda like a genocide?

Do you condemn genocide? Kinda like targeting innocent groups of the population because they follow a religion different from the majority's?
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Report on the attacks against Copts on 14 August


Until 7pm this afternoon, the following churches and Coptic-owned institutions in Egypt had been burned at th...e hands of Islamists. Watani lists them here chronologically:

Three churches and six buildings at the monastery of the Holy Virgin and Anba Abra’am in Dalga, Minya, Upper Egypt
The church of Mar-Mina in the district of Abu-Hilal in the town of Minya
The bishopric church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Sohag, Upper Egypt
The church of the Holy Virgin in Nazla, Fayoum, Lower Egypt
The Baptist church in Beni-Mazar, Minya
Coptic-owned shops in Gumhouriya Street in Assiut, Upper Egypt
The Good Shepherd School in Suez
The Fransiscan School in Suez
The Holy Bible Society in Fayoum
The church of al-Amir Tawadros (St Theodore) in Fayoum
The church of the Holy Virgin in the district of Abu-Hilal in the town of Minya
The Catholic church of St Mark, Minya
The Jesuit church in Abu-Hilal, Minya
The church of Mar-Morqos (St Mark) and its community centre, Sohag
18 houses of Coptic families in Dalga, Minya, including the home of Father Angaelus Melek of the Holy Virgin and Anba Abra’am’s
The Evangelical church on Nassara Street in Abu-Hilal, Minya
The church of Anba Moussa al-Aswad in Minya
Coptic-owned shops, pharmacies, and a doctor’s clinic in Minya
The Jesuit church in Minya (attacked, not burned)
The St Fatima Basilica in Cairo (attacked, not burned)
St Joseph’s School in Minya (attacked, not burned)
The Nile boat al-Dahabiya, owned by the Evangelical Church in Minya
Coptic-owned shops, pharmacy, and hotels on Karnak Street and Cleopatra Street in Luxor (attacked and looted)
The church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Wasta (attacked)
The church of St Michael on Nemeis Street in Assiut, Upper Egypt
The Adventist church in Assiut; the pastor and his wife were both kidnapped
The Greek church in Suez
The church of Mar-Girgis in Assiut
Coptic houses on Qulta Street in Assiut attacked
The church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Arish, North Sinai
The church of St Dimiana and the Evangelical church in the village of Zerbi in Fayoum
The offices of the Evangelical foundation in Minya, and those of Umm al-Nour in Beni-Mazar, Minya
The church of Anba Antonius in Kerdassa, Giza
The bishopric church in Etfeeh, Giza

In addition to the attacks against the Copts, their churches, businesses, and property; Egyptians were aghast at attempts by the Islamists to break into the Bibliotheca Alexandrina (BA) in Alexandria and set it on fire. The BA security and staff confronted the assailants in the courtyard, and there was an exchange of gunfire. According to Khaled Azab, the BA’s media manager, the conference hall was plundered, and a number of acquisitions went missing. The glass façade was shattered.

In Deir Muwass, Minya, the locals called Watani in horror to report that 30 armed Islamists broke into the local water treatment station and cut off the water supply to the nearby villages and towns, meaning that should a fire erupt there would be no water to put it off.

Coptic youth organisations—including the Maspero Youth Union, Copts Without Chains, The Coptic Consultant Council, and the Coptic Coalition—have all condemned the attacks against the Copts and the inadequate protection they were offered. The demanded security protection, and called upon Egypt’s Muslims to join in their defence.

Father Rafiq Greiche, spokesman of the Catholic Church in Egypt, strongly condemned the attacks against churches and Christians, saying that the Copts were made to pay the price for their participation in the revolution against the Islamist regime on 30 June. He demanded that the State should take a firm stance against the assailants.
Fr Rafiq announced that the Catholic Church has called off the celebrations of the feast of the Assumption of the Holy Virgin tomorrow.

The Coptic Orthodox Church issued a statement in which it said it was closely following on the “lamentable situation” in Egypt today. The statement strongly condemned the “successive attacks against Egypt’s Christians, their churches, property and livelihoods,” and also the attacks against the Egyptian police and civilians. It called upon the Egyptian government and armed forces to defend Egyptians and maintain the unity of Egypt. It also called upon “our Muslim fellow Egyptians to stand against the vicious attack of places of worship which should never be part of any struggle.
“We pray to the One God we all worship for every Egyptian to be a shield to defend the homeland against terrorism and violence. We pray for peace and calm to reign over Egypt.”


Reported by Nader Shukry, Tereza Kamal, Basma William, Michael Victor, Samira Mazahy, Ra’fat Edward, Girgis Waheeb

Watani International
14 August 2013"  https://www.facebook...86&id=763825385

The above took place in one day, and has been planned for and instigated by the self-same armed 'peaceful' MB protesters

"A few days before the protests and throughout the week of demonstrations, media sympathetic to the Brotherhood launched a campaign that represented the protests as a Christian conspiracy against Islam. The campaign was staged with an intensity that was sufficient to catalyze bloody sectarian clashes. On the Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated television channel Misr 25, Noureddin, a program presenter, made a fictitious announcement that Christians were attacking mosques. On an Islamist-affiliated channel, program guest Shaykh Mahmoud Shaaban, a Salafist, concocted a story that Christians had congregated in Tahrir Square and that their main chant was “Jesus is the solution,” as if Christians were countering the Muslim Brotherhood slogan, “Islam is the solution.”
http://arabist.net/b...s-and-the-copts


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 05:32 PM

 The New Richard Nixon, on 15 August 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

so you dont condemn the militarys actions? Kinda like a genocide?

No, I do not condemn the military, and reversing the Muslim Brotherhood takeover is certainly not a "genocide".
That is a ridiculous use of the term.

What you (and your government by the way) do not get is that in islamic countries like Egypt and Turkey, the military acts as a last-ditch defense of secularism. Remove that, and the islamists will vote themselves to power, and the country to radical Shariah rule. You really want to see Egypt turn into one gigantic Gazah strip?

(And in that case, you would of course have your "genocide", namely that of the Egyptian Copts. The Muslim Brothers are already burning down Coptic churches as we speak.)

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 06:03 PM

 Zaphod222, on 15 August 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

It is the Jihad. The Muslim Brotherhood is convinced it is acting behalf of god, so they are never going to give up.
The only way for modernity to survive in Egypt is to ban the Muslim Brothers again.

Alas, the idiotic governments in Washington and Brussels are in bed with the MB.

Loss of life is always regrettable, but the number of victims that is being bandied around is that of victims all over Egypt, not just Rab'a; it also includes those who were killed by the MB. That the sit in included heavily armed groups is an undisputed fact but many prefer to ignore it. The protesters had been warned to leave for 10 days, then again by loud speakers before the police cleared their sit-in. A designated safe escape route was advertized and many used it to exit the area unharmed. The police then used tear gas and water. They were shot at by the MB, 43 policemen were killed. In the melee 250 died, shot by both sides.

As for the EU position, as a European citizen, I am appalled! Mrs. Ashton made the effort to check if Mursi's fridge is well-stocked with goodies yet are totally silent about the continuous attacks on Copts. I can only copy a comment written by a reader of an article about this subject
" There are rumors that EU also wanted to issue official protest and to condemn the killings of copts by MB thugs. But someone forgot to press the send key......"


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 06:33 PM

Raptor, your prophecy is really scary! I cannot claim that I fully understood it, especially the part of 'turning left' and the new dictator. However, I think a full-fledged civil war is unlikely. The MB are a highly organized armed terrorist group, but they and their supporters are still a minority. Egyptians had/have no options but to try to forge ahead and try to build a democracy based on freedom, equality and social justice. What is likely to happen is a prolonged terror campaign similar to the 1990s in which 2000 people died, but this time the majority of people are more aware and involved, while the MB has totally discredited itself and has lost a lot of support.

As for the US aid, it can not be used to force on the people a regime they do not accept.





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