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#1    ambelamba

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 04:32 AM

I am a semi-skeptic. But I never rule out the possibility of alien civilizations. Not just lifeforms.

A few moments ago one of my friends posted something on his Facebook page. (FYI he is a gifted artist who worked for several Marvel movies. His latest project is, AFAIK, a game called Titanfall.) It was a story about some South African park that raises lions for hunting. Yeah, you heard that right. They breed and raise lions so that they can let the tourists shoot and kill them.

And that's just the start. I am well aware of American prison system, which is driven by...well, monetary profits. I know that there are increasing number of for-profit prisons in America.

Need I go on? I wonder if I ever posted a similar stuff because my memory is fuzzy. But I can't help asking the same question over and over again. What if our First Contact will be with a vastly superior race that happens to have supreme intellect, higher moral value, and devastating firepower at the same time?

What if these aliens have a strong conviction that pursuit of profit without any ethical supervision is a form of intolerable evil?


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 04:38 AM

This is a question that has been posed countless times.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 04:55 AM

If they are super intelligent they are probably going to be smart enough not to group all humans together and if they are morally superior they will not start killing humans but probably try to correct the situation


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 04:56 AM

View PostTimmeh, on 16 August 2013 - 04:55 AM, said:

If they are super intelligent they are probably going to be smart enough not to group all humans together and if they are morally superior they will not start killing humans but probably try to correct the situation

Right, if they are moral enough they will try to avoid collateral damages.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 05:07 AM

If aliens do come here I think they would treat us as a zoo as we do to other animals. We go to Africa to see the rhinos and lions right.  Inteligience does not mean they will be friendly. Look at what we do to our fellow primates. Oh ya we think we are smarter.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 05:09 AM

View Postambelamba, on 16 August 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:



Right, if they are moral enough they will try to avoid collateral damages.

What collateral damage... It would be so one sided unless they have warp drive with a sling shot as there main weapon. Oh wait an alien that want to destroy us coud sling shot an asteroide into us hence no collateral damage.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:24 AM

View Postambelamba, on 16 August 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:



What if these aliens have a strong conviction that pursuit of profit without any ethical supervision is a form of intolerable evil?

Then we are doomed.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:27 AM

View Postambelamba, on 16 August 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

I am a semi-skeptic. But I never rule out the possibility of alien civilizations. Not just lifeforms.

A few moments ago one of my friends posted something on his Facebook page. (FYI he is a gifted artist who worked for several Marvel movies. His latest project is, AFAIK, a game called Titanfall.) It was a story about some South African park that raises lions for hunting. Yeah, you heard that right. They breed and raise lions so that they can let the tourists shoot and kill them.

And that's just the start. I am well aware of American prison system, which is driven by...well, monetary profits. I know that there are increasing number of for-profit prisons in America.

Need I go on? I wonder if I ever posted a similar stuff because my memory is fuzzy. But I can't help asking the same question over and over again. What if our First Contact will be with a vastly superior race that happens to have supreme intellect, higher moral value, and devastating firepower at the same time?

What if these aliens have a strong conviction that pursuit of profit without any ethical supervision is a form of intolerable evil?


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:31 AM

People always assume that the ETs will be so morally superior, or indeed that there are Universal moral Values like laws of nature. Why would they be remotely bothered about what went on on a small Planet that was no conceivable threat to anyone? Why should they take it upon themselves to play God? Or would, in fact, they be what we call "God"?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:36 AM

Besides, wouldn't higher Moral values and immeasurably superior weaponry be mutually contradictory?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 07:44 AM

not really, they could use the weaponry as a means to enforce the laws they live by that are connected to the morality

or purely as a means to defense

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:00 AM

well lets see the big bad nasty aliens deal with some of our microscopic but killer bacterias.... I reckon if we zapped a cloud of anthrax or ricin their way, or whatever else is similarly nasty and rapidly disabling... we wouldn't need our big guns

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:05 AM

View Postseeder, on 16 August 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

well lets see the big bad nasty aliens deal with some of our microscopic but killer bacterias.... I reckon if we zapped a cloud of anthrax or ricin their way, or whatever else is similarly nasty and rapidly disabling... we wouldn't need our big guns
Much like the premise of War of the Worlds, you mean?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:21 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 16 August 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

Much like the premise of War of the Worlds, you mean?

yeh and they do say that sometimes science fiction - becomes science fact...

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:13 AM

Isn't there a good chance alien morality would be well alien?





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