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#46    Sir Wearer of Hats

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 05:44 AM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 August 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

Its time to get out of kindergarden buddy.
No thanks, that's where I work (well, Prep, but it's the same thing mostly).

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:30 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 26 August 2013 - 04:55 AM, said:

Now were getting to the Religion forum, nevertheless, this debate is moot.

But, 'Truthseeker', I must fully admit that I'm skeptical by nature as well. I need to be provided some proof of David Icke's belief system. If I don't have that and parrot what he says, am I not as bad as what he decries as what's wrong with modern society?

"Buy the book and get educated" doesn't fly very far with me. I'm sorry.

I can still argue my points of view on religion with a Christian having never read the Bible. Why would, or should, that be different discussing David Icke's belief system?

Well actually you don't have to buy his books. You can read most for free online. I provided the links earlier. This kind of subject just does not interest most people.
I'm very interested in alternative views outside the norm. Yes it is good to be sceptical. I don't believe or believe I just take it all in and ask my higher self for guidence in the ability to discern what is the truth and what is not. Most people won't go outside the norm of they're limitied view. There is nothing wrong with that to each they're own.

With your last question why would you even come to this part of the forum if you are not interested in what David Icke says at all? You might get a better view of David Icke if you took the time to read one of his books. You don't have to agree with him but you can research what he says yourself. Yes you can argue your points of view
with a Christian never reading the Bible but what purpose does that serve?

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:32 AM

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:35 AM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 August 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

What you have posted are only theories. Being they are theories that does not make them true. Educate yourself and look into
Quantum physics. Your education is outdated. Its time to get out of kindergarden buddy.
Wrong, the first link explains what a dimension is. Work on your comprehension skills and you might understand it.

You're just confusing yourself, a theory is an explanation, I presented the definition of dimension. But when your understanding comes from new age kooks and science fiction, your confusion is expected.

Edited by Rlyeh, 26 August 2013 - 06:48 AM.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:19 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 26 August 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Wrong, the first link explains what a dimension is. Work on your comprehension skills and you might understand it.

You're just confusing yourself, a theory is an explanation, I presented the definition of dimension. But when your understanding comes from new age kooks and science fiction, your confusion is expected.

Your link is a limited mathmatical  view on dimensions. Your view is becoming outdated and you can't handle it.  You don't even have a clue
what the New Age really is, which is why you call anybody New Age kooks that don't go along with your mainstream view of the world.

I don't know why I should even bother but this will explain dimensions a little bit for you:

There are infinite dimensions. From the perspective of Earth and human beings, that number gets smaller depending on how far out you can see. There is no human mind that is yet able of perceiving all of the dimensions because there is no human mind yet who is capable of perceiving infinity. There are human minds who are capable of perceiving the idea of infinity. Many of you have been able to bit by bit grasp this sensation of infinite dimensions. Do not worry, you do not need to see them all and it is not really possible anyway. There are different models or some people have gotten together and created models or agreements about how many dimensions can be accessed by human beings. One of those models tells you there are thirty-three dimensions, and that is accurate for a group of people. Thirty-three Dimensions is as much as they can or need to perceive. There are models that tell you there are five dimensions, seven dimensions, nine dimensions or twelve dimensions. So it depends on who you are, what you need at the time and it depends on what you are capable of perceiving or what would be useful for you to perceive.


Here are some basics on a few of the dimensions:
The third dimension is located or defined by the intersection between time and space. The third dimension is where matter exists and the third dimension is what is called in mainstream thinking, reality. On an everyday basis when people say something is real, what they really are defining is does it exist in the third dimension or not. Science is the perfect paradigm by which to experience the third dimension or explore the limits of the third dimension.

The fourth dimension is what you might call real but not material - the immaterial reality - nonmaterial reality. The fourth dimension is most clearly defined by time and thought. The fourth dimension is where your thoughts reside. It is where your collective consciousness resides and your intentions. The fourth dimension is a place by which the energy you hold in your mind and in your body has and effect on the energy in the room around you. If you are angry and you walk into a room, people can sense your anger or without noticing, they get angry themselves. All of that is existing, that transfer energy exists in the fourth dimension. This is where norms, belief systems and cultures exist.

The fifth dimension is a similar version of energy. Intentions are also held in the fifth dimension and transmitted in the fifth dimension, but they are no longer beholden to time. You can think of the fifth dimension as what has been called in some cultures, the ethers. The fifth dimension is where ideas begin to collect into actual energy. The fifth dimension is where your Spirit or Soul interacts or creates the bridge between your higher self and your third dimensional self. The fifth dimension is where people travel on the astral plane. It is where people collect intuitive information. The fifth dimension is the vibration at which your Spirit Guides exist. It is the vibration at which people send energy to one another; benevolent or harmful. The fifth dimension is like your energetic reality.

If you think of the fourth dimension as being time or defined by time and energy, the second dimension is defined by space and energy. The second dimension is where the vibration of the material world is rooted. Anything that exists physically in the third dimension is rooted in the second dimension. The second dimension is where you are connected with the Earth on a physical level. It is where a lot of your physical laws are grounded. Electromagnetic energy exists in the second dimension, all of the forces defined by your physics like the forces that hold atoms together, they exist in the second dimension. It is the energy that holds the material world together and positions things in space.

The first dimension, in the truest sense of the word, is a simple point. The first dimension exists everywhere in the Universe just like all of the Dimensions do. The 1st Dimension is like - they are calling it like the seed of creation - creation not meaning material creation, but creation at all. The creation of an idea, the creation of an energy, the creation of a bond, the creation of a new soul, the creation of anything begins in the first dimension. In a sense you can call it Source. In this world, your experience of the first dimension often occurs when you become a single point. You become a single point when you are completely in the present moment, completely grounded and centered in your Lower Self, or the second dimension, and completely connected and open to your Higher Self - the fifth dimensional part of you that is connected to all the higher vibrations. It is when you are grounded in Heaven and Earth and completely present in the moment that you are residing in the first dimension. It is the moment of Creation; it is Source. Often when people are striving for mystical experiences or a sense of a oneness with God, what they are doing is they are finding a way to inhabit the first dimensional self, their point of creation, their God self.
The "New Age Kook" that explains it this way is Jen Eramith, MA .

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 10:44 AM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 August 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

Why should I have to show you? Are you not able to read for yourself?

I sure have read all by my self! Thats exactly why you need to do more than throw the word "quantum physics" in your posts and act like what you say is fact. You see... I have studied quantum physics, I have studied physics in general and I have yet to see any evidence of interdimensional reptilian beings shifting through the various "vibrational frequencies". Perhaps I have simply "overlooked" such a thing in my studies. So, would you be so gracious to as to show me where I had overlooked it?

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 11:14 AM

View PostStellar, on 26 August 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

I sure have read all by my self! Thats exactly why you need to do more than throw the word "quantum physics" in your posts and act like what you say is fact. You see... I have studied quantum physics, I have studied physics in general and I have yet to see any evidence of interdimensional reptilian beings shifting through the various "vibrational frequencies". Perhaps I have simply "overlooked" such a thing in my studies. So, would you be so gracious to as to show me where I had overlooked it?

Are you saying that interdimensional reptilian beings are not possible? How would you like me to show you? Maybe take a look at this link:

There are many people getting information out in different ways on the internet and video is obviously a powerful way to communicate. One of the best video series on YouTube at the moment is from a user by the name of “TheyLive2012″. This person has done a great job of accumulating and analysing a lot of the Reptilian shapeshifting videos along with other Reptilian and Illuminati information. There are 23 videos in total and you can watch the entire series below.
Obviously one person won’t have all the answers and some of the information shared in the videos may be incorrect, but overall this video series contains some very powerful information.

Click the link for the videos

http://www.humanityw...lose.com/?p=289

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 11:17 AM

US Military – Reptilian Symbolism

http://www.humanityw...ose.com/?p=2170


Here is one from the link:

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:03 PM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 August 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:


The fourth dimension is what you might call real but not material - the immaterial reality - nonmaterial reality. The fourth dimension is most clearly defined by time and thought. The fourth dimension is where your thoughts reside. It is where your collective consciousness resides and your intentions. The fourth dimension is a place by which the energy you hold in your mind and in your body has and effect on the energy in the room around you. If you are angry and you walk into a room, people can sense your anger or without noticing, they get angry themselves. All of that is existing, that transfer energy exists in the fourth dimension. This is where norms, belief systems and cultures exist.

The fifth dimension is a similar version of energy. Intentions are also held in the fifth dimension and transmitted in the fifth dimension, but they are no longer beholden to time. You can think of the fifth dimension as what has been called in some cultures, the ethers. The fifth dimension is where ideas begin to collect into actual energy. The fifth dimension is where your Spirit or Soul interacts or creates the bridge between your higher self and your third dimensional self. The fifth dimension is where people travel on the astral plane. It is where people collect intuitive information. The fifth dimension is the vibration at which your Spirit Guides exist. It is the vibration at which people send energy to one another; benevolent or harmful. The fifth dimension is like your energetic reality.

If you think of the fourth dimension as being time or defined by time and energy, the second dimension is defined by space and energy. The second dimension is where the vibration of the material world is rooted. Anything that exists physically in the third dimension is rooted in the second dimension. The second dimension is where you are connected with the Earth on a physical level. It is where a lot of your physical laws are grounded. Electromagnetic energy exists in the second dimension, all of the forces defined by your physics like the forces that hold atoms together, they exist in the second dimension. It is the energy that holds the material world together and positions things in space.



Nice. Far be it for me to So what are we humble novices to make of David Icke's insistence in The Biggest Secret, where he first launched his reptilian book-selling gimmick, he repeatedly tells us that reptilian control over we poor human saps is "orchestrated" from place he calls the "lower fourth dimension". From my reading of his excreable book Icke's understanding of "dimension" differs somewhat from that promoted by Jen Eramith.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:42 PM

View PostMull Pasha, on 26 August 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

Nice. Far be it for me to So what are we humble novices to make of David Icke's insistence in The Biggest Secret, where he first launched his reptilian book-selling gimmick, he repeatedly tells us that reptilian control over we poor human saps is "orchestrated" from place he calls the "lower fourth dimension". From my reading of his excreable book Icke's understanding of "dimension" differs somewhat from that promoted by Jen Eramith.

There seems to be many sides to dimensions. Take a gander at this if you will to fill in the blanks.

http://www.multidime...ams_travel.html

FOURTH DIMENSIONAL SUB-PLANES
There are seven sub-planes of the fourth dimension. Each sub-plane resonates to a different frequency. The higher sub-planes resonate to higher frequencies and the lower sub-planes resonate to lower frequencies.  With the highest frequency planes on the top, the planes are:

Causal/Spiritual Plane=abstract thought and the Higher Human form
Mental Plane=concrete thought and lower mind
Astral/Emotional Plane=emotions
Kingdom of Faerie=imagination, rest and recreation
Lower Astral Plane=fear and negative emotions
Etheric Plane=interface between third and fourth dimensions


Each of the sub-planes within the fourth dimension has its own corresponding degree of materiality and condition of matter. In fact, within each sub-plane there are different frequency realities that are of gradually ascending vibratory rates.  

For example, the Astral/Emotional Plane has many sub-planes within it ranging from a lower vibration where there is more fear than love to a higher vibration where there is more love than fear. However, these different planes are not separate like books piled on a bookshelf. Each sub-plane penetrates the one just above it and below it.

All of the fourth dimensional realities overlap. The higher dimensional realities extend further from earth and the lower dimensional realities are closer to earth. In fact, the lower astral sub-planes are actually here on the surface of the earth but are of a higher vibration.
However, because the fourth dimension is "out of phase" with our third dimensional perceptions, we are not consciously aware of it. As people begin to raise their consciousness, their perceptions will gradually become receptive to a reality of a higher frequency. Then they begin to see and hear what others do not. This can be very disturbing to one who has no guidance.

OUR MANY BODIES
The inner worlds of the fourth dimension are as vast and limitless as our imagination. However, the fourth dimension is NOT just our imagination, it is very real. Within us is the latent power to perceive, respond to and travel through this dimension. We all have "bodies" upon each of the fourth dimensional sub-planes in which we travel. That means that, whether we are aware of it or not, we all have an etheric body, an astral/emotional body, a mental body, a causal/spiritual body, which is our I AM Presence, and a life in Faerie.
Whenever we are incarnated on the third dimension, all of these higher bodies are also "alive" and serve as our "mirror" and support team. When we travel in the fourth dimension, we do so in the body that resonates to that sub-plane or a higher one. In other words, we can travel through the Astral Plane in our astral body or in our mental or causal bodies.
It is best to travel the lower sub-planes in our higher frequency bodies, as we may need the greater light of our higher bodies to serve as protection.  This protection is especially needed in the Lower Astral Plane. The light and love of our higher dimensional bodies is the greatest protection from the darkness and fear of the lower astral sub-planes.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:16 PM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 August 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

Your link is a limited mathmatical view on dimensions. Your view is becoming outdated and you can't handle it. You don't even have a clue
what the New Age really is, which is why you call anybody New Age kooks that don't go along with your mainstream view of the world.

...Removed pseudoscience BS...
If it is outdated why is used in physics and quantum physics? Why do actual scientists use the definition of dimension I presented? Because your hippie crap doesn't fly. Contrary to your user name, you've yet to provide anything truthful or factual.

All you've done is regurgitated what a charlatan has told you, try getting credible material.

Edited by Rlyeh, 26 August 2013 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:25 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 26 August 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

If it is outdated why is used in physics and quantum physics? Why do actual scientists use the definition of dimension I presented? Because your hippie crap doesn't fly. Contrary to your user name, you've yet to provide anything truthful or factual.

All you've done is regurgitated what a charlatan has told you, try getting credible material.

What is used in physics and quantum physics?

You mean mainstream scientist use the definition of dimension that you presented because most are bought and paid for by The Powers That Be not to mention the whole education system is run by the Powers That Be to keep the human population stupid and docile.

Hippie crap??? Thats the first time I heard that. Everything that I have provided is a lot more accurate and truthfull then anything you have posted. All you seem to do is come on here and put people down. Are you some kind of government agent or something?

Edited by Truthseeker007, 26 August 2013 - 01:41 PM.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 August 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

What is used in physics and quantum physics? You mean mainstream scientist use the definition of dimension that you presented because most are bought and paid for by The Powers That Be not to mention the whole education system is run by the Powers That Be to keep the human population stupid and docile. Hippie crap???
Oh look you don't know how science works either or what the scientific method is. Gee, what a surprise.

Do "The Powers That Be" really need to keep the population stupid when they've got people like you doing the job for them?

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Thats the first time I heard that. Everything that I have provided is a lot more accurate and truthfull then anything you have posted. Alls you seem to do is come on here and put people down. Are you some kind of government agent or something?
That's why your information is unsupported and rejected by scientific sources. It's a conspiracy!

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:47 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 26 August 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Oh look you don't know how science works either or what the scientific method is. Gee, what a surprise.

Do "The Powers That Be" really need to keep the population stupid when they've got people like you doing the job for them?

That's why your information is unsupported and rejected by scientific sources. It's a conspiracy!

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I'm sorry you are just another victim under mind control. The propaganda has worked on you very well. You are the type of person that the governments around the world love. You will always stay inside of your little box afraid to see how anything really works. I send you my love.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:53 PM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 26 August 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

I'm sorry you are just another victim under mind control. The propaganda has worked on you very well. You are the type of person that the governments around the world love. You will always stay inside of your little box afraid to see how anything really works. I send you my love.
Your life really is that boring and insignificant that you need to feel important, your delusions are that escape.





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