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#1    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:13 PM

Today, Sirius can be seen almost worldwide as the brightest star in the sky – excluding the sun – and the fourth brightest night-sky object after the moon, Venus and Jupiter. Sirius is so noticeable that its rising and setting was used as the basis for the ancient Egyptian calendar, says Magli. At the latitude of Göbekli Tepe, Sirius would have been below the horizon until around 9300 BC, when it would have suddenly popped into view.

"I propose that the temple was built to follow the 'birth' of this star," says Magli. "You can imagine that the appearance of a new object in the sky could even have triggered a new religion."

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:13 PM

I don't know,I'd have thought a temple to venerate something would have been something old not something new.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:17 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 18 August 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

I don't know,I'd have thought a temple to venerate something would have been something old not something new.

Besides, as I have already pointed out in another thread Sirius was perfectly visible, just a little removed from the place where you would expect it.

As far as the veneration of Sirius: it was predominant in agricultural societies as it is the only reliable calendar with a 365 day cycle we have on the firmament, therefore needed to determine the sowing and reaping times. That makes it very unlikely that the people of Gobeliki had anything to do with it. As far as we know at this point they were hunter-gatherers.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostMelo, on 18 August 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

Today, Sirius can be seen almost worldwide as the brightest star in the sky – excluding the sun – and the fourth brightest night-sky object after the moon, Venus and Jupiter. Sirius is so noticeable that its rising and setting was used as the basis for the ancient Egyptian calendar, says Magli. At the latitude of Göbekli Tepe, Sirius would have been below the horizon until around 9300 BC, when it would have suddenly popped into view.

"I propose that the temple was built to follow the 'birth' of this star," says Magli. "You can imagine that the appearance of a new object in the sky could even have triggered a new religion."

http://www.newscient...ml#.UhEcH5L3P_N
maybe it is...ancient people likely to build temples or structures to glorify heavenly bodies- like the sphinx represent the constellation of leo.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:43 PM

View Postbassai26, on 19 August 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

maybe it is...ancient people likely to build temples or structures to glorify heavenly bodies- like the sphinx represent the constellation of leo.

With your apparent ability to divinely intuit the meaning of works and deeds of the ancients, I wonder why you're left posting here and not writing mass-market paperbacks with lurid blurbs...

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:40 PM

The sphinx - Leo constellation connection is tenuous at best....the theory that Leo was on the horizon allowed pseudo scientist the lee-way to say the sphinx is much older than it is....in a nutshell they say if you rolled back the star charts to where the sphinx was looking at Leo on the horizon...it was like 10,000 BC or some nonsense....not happening...but nice try.

I am very interested in Gobekli Tepe...not for some mysterious, esoteric nonsense...but I personally think we are looking at the birthplace of civilization as we know it...masses of people working together toward a common goal.  From the demand at the site, they developed agriculture and domestication of animals...I know that is a huge stretch and there is yet no evidence of it...but that is what I "think" we are seeing...it was because of the massive effort here that the need for these things rose (food and water) and a means to meet that need was developed.  That is how humanity works...we generally don't do squat till there is a defined need for it.

I am not sold on the "star" element yet.  This was more "earthly"...totems and "the hunt" and mankind's rise to power over nature....that is what I think this site is about...

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 03:15 AM

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:41 AM

As Magli said, he's just speculating.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:56 AM

I'm still not convinced about Gobekli-Tepe being a temple as it's primary function. While we have evidence of settled, agrarian societies building temples (or temple-like structures) and funerary monuments as permanent or semi-permanent structures as a matter of importance, those who inhabited the area around Gobekli-Tepe are presumed to still be primarily hunter/gatherer. So we should not carry over our observations from non-alike societies and assume the monumental structure at Gobekli-Tepe's function from that.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:39 AM

I personally think GT is a "meeting place of the tribes" for the local tribes. The animal sigils are representations of the tribes, the most important tribes in the centre etc.
Over the years, the meeting place changed (and shrunk and built upwards) as the tribes assimilated each other, were wiped out, moved on, moved in etc etc.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:32 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 23 August 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

I personally think GT is a "meeting place of the tribes" for the local tribes. The animal sigils are representations of the tribes, the most important tribes in the centre etc.
Over the years, the meeting place changed (and shrunk and built upwards) as the tribes assimilated each other, were wiped out, moved on, moved in etc etc.

Barring any evidence to the contrary, I'm inclined to agree about the "meeting place" hypothesis, Sir WoH. And I see you have been honoured, *doffs cap*.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 23 August 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

I personally think GT is a "meeting place of the tribes" for the local tribes. The animal sigils are representations of the tribes, the most important tribes in the centre etc.
Over the years, the meeting place changed (and shrunk and built upwards) as the tribes assimilated each other, were wiped out, moved on, moved in etc etc.

I agree... Having it as a place for semi-nomadic tribes of the same culture to gather periodically to maintain contact, inter-marry, trade and just to have an excuse to party makes a lot of sense...


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:43 AM

View PostTaun, on 23 August 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

I agree... Having it as a place for semi-nomadic tribes of the same culture to gather periodically to maintain contact, inter-marry, trade and just to have an excuse to party makes a lot of sense...

In that sense it can be viewed as the earliest known effort to organise such gatherings and so, perhaps, be a step on the path towards the transition to agrarianism.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:35 AM

gobekli-full_35417_600x450.jpg [click to enlarge] [double click to go back in time] :w00t:

  I just thought i'd post this pic .. because if  form follows function  ,, what does the form of this tell us,  if anything?   What's with the outer area at the top of the image that seems to be enclosed?   The  multiple ringed walls are intriguing .




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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:39 AM

Perhaps it was the equivalent of a court-of-law and trial arena?

An early attempt at a UN to settle disputes either peacefully, or with minimum of violence?

Edited by Leonardo, 23 August 2013 - 11:39 AM.

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