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#1    Alexandra NightShade

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:19 AM

The Vatican's Secret Archives have an exitment of 5 miles worth of shelving, and it has been estimated it could hold about 70 thousand pages, and 1 million books. The Secret Archives was formally established in 1475, but is much older then that.

This large library is in Vatican City has been named in latin: Archivum Secretum Vaticaun or  in English The Vatican Secret Archives. We have been told that the word does not mean secrets are being kept from us, but only that what is being kept in these archives are the Pope's personal property. Then why keep them from us?

The Vatican also has a public library called: Bibliotheca Apostolica Vatican or in English it is called Library Of The Holy See. It is rather a research library and can only be used by men who write to the Pope for permission to use it. Then prsent documents to say who they are, quliforcation for their research. Only then will they be allowed into the library.

When they enter the public library the only things they can bring with them are a pen and paper. Nothing else. They will be accompanied by two priests and two guards. They will stay with him for the entire time he is there and follow him out when he is finished.

For years people have been wondering what is hidden in the Secret Archives and why? That is a very good question because the Secret Archives are actually guarded by Swiss Guards. The doors are very heavy and locked.

The Catholic Church has been under much criticism for keeping information away from the public, so now 100 documents were going to be put on display from February 2012 until September 2012. The documents will be at Rome's Capitoline Museume, people were be allowed to see the document but not touch it. The document was in a shot proof case and heavily guarded. This exhibition was called: Lux In Arcana (Light in the secret) or The Vatican Secret Archives Revealed. The problem is however, it only contained such documents as the last writing of Mary Queen of Scots before she was executed. It contained similar writings, but nothing we have not already learned from what history has taught us.

There have been many theories to what is hidden in the Secret Archives, some mundane and some not. These theories go from what I think is normal to what I think is crazy. The most widely held belief is that it holds books that have been banned from the bible. The theories then start to get stranger.

One of theories suggest that they have a time machine. The other says that the Vatican is in contact with UFO's. My favorite one must be the theorie that the Vatican knows the full truth of the end of the world. They have denided this but the number one rule about keeping secrets from someone is to deny, deny, deny.

I have read a couple of articles one said...

"A friend of mine used to work at the Vatican translating. She was a nun. Because of what she read she ain't a nun anymore." - Hunter of the Dark in Yahoo answers

It may not be true that her friend worked for the Vatican, but if she did...What did she read? And What if she read something that could change the look on the Vatican?

The Vatican has always hidden the truth people wouldn't believe the dogma otherwise.
no belief = no power, too many vested interests.

How many more secrets is the Vatican hiding, and why? We have not been allowed to see them for some reason. The reason must be important, because the room the books are in is guarded. I am pretty sure there is no time machine. Also, no UFOS, but, the Vatican's problem is, if they keep the room guarded more people will think they are hiding horrible secrets. What if they are just keeping old documents safe? But, then again, why just hide old documents? Perhaps they are hiding something that will truly harm the Vatican. Therefor it would be important for them to keep the truth from us, keeping their secrets safe is very important.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:36 AM

I think a more pressing question would be: Why do people assume the worst when things are hidden?

The Vatican is its own separate entity, and thus has all rights to let out what it wants to, especially seeing as it has no indigenous population to answer to, other than those that choose to work and live there. As for what's in those archives: probably a bunch of randomness. The Vatican has been in contact with the most powerful people in Europe since its creation, so I'm not surprised that it has things like the writings of the Queen of Scots, it seems to me that may be the bulk of the archives. Maybe even the early writings of Galileo, and other great minds throughout time.

With that, I've heard that the Vatican has begun going through the archives to commit its records to a more permanent form, such as digital filing. This says to me that whatever is down there is worth keeping, and not just letting rot in the dark. Now why would they preserve things they could easily destroy and never have to worry about somebody discovering?

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:04 AM

Researchers and historians are allowed into the Secret Archives on request. There's nothing secret about them. Anyone with the right qualifications can go in and look. When you have documents that are centuries old it's prudent to restrict access to those who are guaranteed to respect them and not destroy them.

Claims of forbidden gospels or any other restricted text is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:20 PM

 Alexandra NightShade, on 19 August 2013 - 02:19 AM, said:

The Vatican's Secret Archives have an exitment of 5 miles worth of shelving, and it has been estimated it could hold about 70 thousand pages, and 1 million books. The Secret Archives was formally established in 1475, but is much older then that.

This large library is in Vatican City has been named in latin: Archivum Secretum Vaticaun or  in English The Vatican Secret Archives. We have been told that the word does not mean secrets are being kept from us, but only that what is being kept in these archives are the Pope's personal property. Then why keep them from us?

The Vatican also has a public library called: Bibliotheca Apostolica Vatican or in English it is called Library Of The Holy See. It is rather a research library and can only be used by men who write to the Pope for permission to use it. Then prsent documents to say who they are, quliforcation for their research. Only then will they be allowed into the library.

When they enter the public library the only things they can bring with them are a pen and paper. Nothing else. They will be accompanied by two priests and two guards. They will stay with him for the entire time he is there and follow him out when he is finished.

For years people have been wondering what is hidden in the Secret Archives and why? That is a very good question because the Secret Archives are actually guarded by Swiss Guards. The doors are very heavy and locked.

The Catholic Church has been under much criticism for keeping information away from the public, so now 100 documents were going to be put on display from February 2012 until September 2012. The documents will be at Rome's Capitoline Museume, people were be allowed to see the document but not touch it. The document was in a shot proof case and heavily guarded. This exhibition was called: Lux In Arcana (Light in the secret) or The Vatican Secret Archives Revealed. The problem is however, it only contained such documents as the last writing of Mary Queen of Scots before she was executed. It contained similar writings, but nothing we have not already learned from what history has taught us.

There have been many theories to what is hidden in the Secret Archives, some mundane and some not. These theories go from what I think is normal to what I think is crazy. The most widely held belief is that it holds books that have been banned from the bible. The theories then start to get stranger.

One of theories suggest that they have a time machine. The other says that the Vatican is in contact with UFO's. My favorite one must be the theorie that the Vatican knows the full truth of the end of the world. They have denided this but the number one rule about keeping secrets from someone is to deny, deny, deny.

I have read a couple of articles one said...

"A friend of mine used to work at the Vatican translating. She was a nun. Because of what she read she ain't a nun anymore." - Hunter of the Dark in Yahoo answers

It may not be true that her friend worked for the Vatican, but if she did...What did she read? And What if she read something that could change the look on the Vatican?

The Vatican has always hidden the truth people wouldn't believe the dogma otherwise.
no belief = no power, too many vested interests.

How many more secrets is the Vatican hiding, and why? We have not been allowed to see them for some reason. The reason must be important, because the room the books are in is guarded. I am pretty sure there is no time machine. Also, no UFOS, but, the Vatican's problem is, if they keep the room guarded more people will think they are hiding horrible secrets. What if they are just keeping old documents safe? But, then again, why just hide old documents? Perhaps they are hiding something that will truly harm the Vatican. Therefor it would be important for them to keep the truth from us, keeping their secrets safe is very important.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:22 PM

 DecoNoir, on 19 August 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

I think a more pressing question would be: Why do people assume the worst when things are hidden?

The Vatican is its own separate entity, and thus has all rights to let out what it wants to, especially seeing as it has no indigenous population to answer to, other than those that choose to work and live there. As for what's in those archives: probably a bunch of randomness. The Vatican has been in contact with the most powerful people in Europe since its creation, so I'm not surprised that it has things like the writings of the Queen of Scots, it seems to me that may be the bulk of the archives. Maybe even the early writings of Galileo, and other great minds throughout time.

With that, I've heard that the Vatican has begun going through the archives to commit its records to a more permanent form, such as digital filing. This says to me that whatever is down there is worth keeping, and not just letting rot in the dark. Now why would they preserve things they could easily destroy and never have to worry about somebody discovering?


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:30 PM

The Vatican has an Index of forbidden books.Books that were not to be read by catholics for one reason or another. There maybe books written by various herectics throughout time in there, records of the trials of herectics such as the Cathars,Dolcinites and other groups,as well as perhasp some of their literature,records of witchcraft trials  amongst other things.Also probably state papers in regards to dealings with various rulers,even people like Hitler and Mussolini.
Maybe Pope Francis will allow others to examine these books. Unfortunately, I can't read forgein languages.I did take spanish in school,but have forgotten quite a bit,
so a trip would be usless for me, though I would like to look at them aways. But,I'm a poor Catholic and since I'm not a scholar have little chance of getting in.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:01 PM

 Star of the Sea, on 19 August 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Are you Roman Catholic?

Yes, why?


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:04 PM

 Alexandra NightShade, on 19 August 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Yes, why?

Just curious because of your interest in what the Vatican has stowed away. I think it's a good thing that Pope Francis is letting the public see the archives. There maybe some surprises but on the whole I think the public are going to be disappointed as they are expecting something sensational to be revealed, which I doubt will happen. Welcome to UM by the way :)

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:37 AM

 Star of the Sea, on 19 August 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Just curious because of your interest in what the Vatican has stowed away. I think it's a good thing that Pope Francis is letting the public see the archives. There maybe some surprises but on the whole I think the public are going to be disappointed as they are expecting something sensational to be revealed, which I doubt will happen. Welcome to UM by the way :)

I agree, Im very glad that he is showing the public the archives, but I still think that their hiding something but every one has their opinion.  And thanks for the welcome :)


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:03 PM

I think it's silly to jump to theories involving UFOs and time machines when there are plenty of other, more down-to-earth things the Vatican could be hiding in the archives. I'm sure there's plenty of history that could be potentially embarrassing to the Vatican, especially with everything that's come out concerning pedophilia in the church.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:52 AM

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Anyone with the right qualifications can go in and look.

If they let you in that is... :whistle:


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:39 AM

 Bavarian Raven, on 23 August 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:



If they let you in that is... :whistle:
And that's fair, they can't just let anyone in. Material written in obsolete languages and centuries' old manuscripts can't be entrusted to you unless you have a doctorate.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:53 AM

I don't think it's so much that you must have a doctorate in order to handle the manuscripts (though practically speaking, it probably turns out that way) but that some of the items are so old, they may crumble unless handled properly. I would hope that these are the docs that are being digitized.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:05 AM

They are hiding a secret army of Jesus clones trained to be elite ninjas.when asked, a church official responded to the question of why with. "Why not? We are the lords of the earth, we may as well act like it."

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:01 AM

Everyone have secrets. CIA, FBI, NASA, APPLE, GOOGLE, MICROSOFT etc. Even you and me. We have secrets we want nobody to know.






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