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#31    JesseCuster

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:48 PM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 28 August 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

So by saying that, you agree that NASA WOULD try to hide such evidence if it were of intelligent origin?
No, I'm saying that it makes no sense for those who assume that NASA does to that, to say that an insider would 'leak' information by releasing it on NASA's website where it could be hidden at the click of a button.  

If I was a NASA employee who found an artificial anomaly on Mars, I'd release it via Wikileaks or to a journalist, not put it up on a website that NASA themselves control.  That makes no sense.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:48 PM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 28 August 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Very true. Weird objects are passed off as mere rocks, yet delicate studies are made of mundane articles.  Doesn't add up
Just because you see everything but a rock doesn't mean the experts share your wild imagination.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:50 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 28 August 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

and yet there are numerous Photoshop interventions in many of the pictures provided to the public.
A few examples with explanations for how you know they have been Photoshopped?

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:54 PM

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So by saying that, you agree that NASA WOULD try to hide such evidence if it were of intelligent origin?

As Ive said before, NASA went to the President, who then WENT ON NATIONAL TV...to announce they 'might' have found alien life from Mars in the meteorite sample

so where the heck is all the secret keeping?

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:02 PM

View Postseeder, on 28 August 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

As Ive said before, NASA went to the President, who then WENT ON NATIONAL TV...to announce they 'might' have found alien life from Mars in the meteorite sample

so where the heck is all the secret keeping?

why do they have to go to the president, and who cares about tiny worms on rock fragments when the big thing might be hidden out there in the dark? ..

Edited by qxcontinuum, 28 August 2013 - 06:08 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:08 PM

View Postseeder, on 28 August 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

As Ive said before, NASA went to the President, who then WENT ON NATIONAL TV...to announce they 'might' have found alien life from Mars in the meteorite sample

so where the heck is all the secret keeping?
Microbial life probably wouldn't cause much of a stir. A cd or similar definitely would.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:08 PM

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why do they have to go to the president ?

Probably because they couldnt think of anyone better to tell the world they had found alien life.

or thought so anyway.  Besides, Im not sure they told him first at all, but used him as potentially world shaking news might be best to come from the president, who knows. But there is this too

Scientists from NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston have detailed their findings in the November issue of the journal Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta. But other astrobiologists at NASA Ames Research Center near San Francisco and at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena have also been buzzing over the possible findings, according to Spaceflight Now.

And heres the Presidents actual speech transcript.  August 7, 1996

http://www2.jpl.nasa...nc/clinton.html

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:09 PM

Im not really sure where the confusion lies here,... We are looking a impact craters on Mars. Nothing strange about it.

Edited by Hazzard, 28 August 2013 - 06:13 PM.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:13 PM

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Microbial life probably wouldn't cause much of a stir. A cd or similar definitely would.

we know enough about mars to know that no intelligent civilisation ever lived there, thus, no cd will ever be found. And I doubt very very much if any alien life would ever be producing a cd. Even we probably wont in another 20 years or so, they will go the way cassettes did I reckon.  So why do you think advanced species will have something we wont in another 20 years?


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:16 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 28 August 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

who cares about tiny worms on rock fragments

A bit of an idiotic answer really dont you think?  Or, dont you think?

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:30 PM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 28 August 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Microbial life probably wouldn't cause much of a stir. A cd or similar definitely would.

View Postseeder, on 28 August 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

A bit of an idiotic answer really dont you think?  Or, dont you think?

That was in my mind as well !

Edited by qxcontinuum, 28 August 2013 - 06:31 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:38 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 28 August 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

That was in my mind as well !


Understand that Mars and Earth are approx the same age, about 4.5 billion years old. . Earth had perfect conditions for life, but the last bit of surface water on Mars probably evaporated upwards of 2 1/2 to 3 billion years ago, as there just wasn't enough magnetic field to shield it's atmosphere from the solar wind.

So Mars sort of died 2.5 to 3 billion years ago, meaning, life (apart from microbial), never had the evolutionary time -and  chances as it did on Earth.

These simple facts let us know no civilisation could have possible emerged on mars. But the finding of microbes in a meteorite, should be JUST as exciting as it proves life may be common.

You want life in our own solar system, then start getting excited about Europa.where it is very likely to exist. But water life tho, (aquatic)  so again, no alien space ships, but a fishy type thing would be great and is...entirely possible on Europa.

As are 'just' microbial worms.




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Edited by seeder, 28 August 2013 - 06:43 PM.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:05 PM

I must disagree over the number of years and how slow or fast complex life can become a reality. In fact we humans evolved in just 60.000 years to what we presently are and just 80 years to this super hi tech phase. That's nothing comparing to the age of life on earth of Millions over millions of years.  We are the walking proof that intelligent life doesn't require too much evolution. In the same time I am question the carbon dating measurements. Those dinos that we are told lived millions of years ago could be in fact only a few good thousents.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:10 PM

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I must disagree over the number of years and how slow or fast complex life can become a reality. In fact we humans evolved in just 60.000 years to what we presently are and just 80 years to this super hi tech phase. That's nothing comparing to the age of life on earth of Millions over millions of years.  We are the walking proof that intelligent life doesn't require too much evolution. In the same time I am question the carbon dating measurements. Those dinos that we are told lived millions of years ago could be in fact only a few good thousents.



You might like to do a bit of research before posting such stuff, read this:


The origins of humankind on Earth

It is estimated that the first members of the human family (hominins) lived in Africa about 6 or 7 million years ago. They are believed to have been forest-dwelling, perhaps walking upright in the trees or when on the ground.

In 2001, cranial fossils of Sahelanthropus tchadensis dating to this time were uncovered in Chad, central Africa. The fossils show a combination of ape-like and human-like features, although how closely related Sahelanthropus tchadensis is to humans is the subject of debate.

Over millions of years, distinct species and lineages emerged and radiated across Africa. Among them were the earliest members of the genus Homo, to which modern humans belong.

The earliest fossil evidence of these ancient humans dates to between 1.9 and 2.4 million years ago, and comes from East Africa, although a human-like form of the species Australopithecus has recently been described from South Africa. Australopithecus sediba is 1.98 million years old and is the most human-like australopithecine yet discovered, with an increased front brain cavity and small teeth.


The emergence of modern humans

Fossil evidence suggests that modern humans evolved in East Africa around 200,000 years ago, since fossils more than 150,000 years old are known from Ethiopia and Kenya. However, genetic data from recent African populations suggests that other regions may also have been important.

http://www.nhm.ac.uk...when/index.html


and even before us, the Dino's were the leading life on earth, and after they died, rodents and mammals exploited the gap and diversified, very slowly, eventually leading to primates from which we descended.

AND...long long long before the dinos, was smaller life and...even  further back, microbes and bacteria's and single celled blobs.

It all takes time. Mars run out of time



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Edited by seeder, 28 August 2013 - 07:14 PM.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:15 PM

True just did; "Anatomically modern humans evolved from archaic Homo sapiens in the Middle Paleolithic, about 200,000 years ago" still 200k is nothing comparing to a few dozens of millions of years of existing life on earth.

how about the Water Ape amendment that apparently explains plausibly our super fast evolution,  can we really disregard some of the facts leading to this hypothese? Sorry skipping between the subjects, there's a lot more to discuss about which requires vocal communication rather than writing.

A similar process could have happened on Mars in a wet environment.

In the same time there is something that was never verified. This is the age of the river bad rocks. Curiosity was not carrying a carbon dating lab. so the age of water disappearance is not known for sure. What if there's only a few thousand of years since it happened? How is the science exactly able to determinate when mars ceased to be a potential alive planet?
sorry if i don't know much about this subject...

Edited by qxcontinuum, 28 August 2013 - 07:25 PM.





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