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#1    fullywired

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:31 PM

I found this passage rather puzzling

"And it came to pass on the way, at the encampment, that the LORD met him and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at Moses' feet, and said, "Surely you are a husband of blood to me!" So He let him go. Then she said, "You are a husband of blood!" -because of the circumcision" (Exodus 4:24-26).

Now I understand that Zipporah was Moses's wife but why did the lord want to kill Moses ? and what was the significance of the circumcision it all seems a little vague to me


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:53 PM

i expect it's probably some legend that got hopelessly tangled in the telling and re-telling and re-telling. Genesis & Exodus are full of these incomprehensible little episodes that have kept the industry of biblical study going for thousands of years.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:02 PM

View Postfullywired, on 29 August 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

I found this passage rather puzzling

"And it came to pass on the way, at the encampment, that the LORD met him and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at Moses' feet, and said, "Surely you are a husband of blood to me!" So He let him go. Then she said, "You are a husband of blood!" -because of the circumcision" (Exodus 4:24-26).

Now I understand that Zipporah was Moses's wife but why did the lord want to kill Moses ? and what was the significance of the circumcision it all seems a little vague to me


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I double checked that chapter to see if anything else might be pertinent to it, the only thing I can come up with is that god is bat **** crazy and just likes to kill people.

21The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. 22Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son, 23and I told you, “Let my son go, so he may worship me.” But you refused to let him go; so I will kill your firstborn son.’ ”

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:45 PM

View Postfullywired, on 29 August 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

I found this passage rather puzzling

"And it came to pass on the way, at the encampment, that the LORD met him and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at Moses' feet, and said, "Surely you are a husband of blood to me!" So He let him go. Then she said, "You are a husband of blood!" -because of the circumcision" (Exodus 4:24-26).

Now I understand that Zipporah was Moses's wife but why did the lord want to kill Moses ? and what was the significance of the circumcision it all seems a little vague to me


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The explanation is probably that there is another document that provides the rest of the story, but it is long since lost.  I vaguely recall a midrash story that provides an explanation, but my memory is pretty foggy.  Anyway, try finding it in the midrash stories.
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Posted 30 August 2013 - 06:19 AM

View Postmaetmpj, on 30 August 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

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do you have any opinions of your own, or do you just wish to repeat me?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 06:27 AM

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I double checked that chapter to see if anything else might be pertinent to it, the only thing I can come up with is that god is bat **** crazy and just likes to kill people.

21The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. 22Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son, 23and I told you, “Let my son go, so he may worship me.” But you refused to let him go; so I will kill your firstborn son.’ ”

Actually I heard an interesting explanation for this one once. Apparently God wanted to make sure his message was cemented, making sure the Egyptians knew that their gods were useless, as well as letting other nations know not to mess with the Israelites.

My best guess is after this he put on a black resperator helmet and snuck q horse head ounder some guys sheets.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 06:28 AM

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do you have any opinions of your own, or do you just wish to repeat me?

Yeah, I've noticed he's done this several times.... do any of us warrant stalkers?

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 06:34 AM

View PostDecoNoir, on 30 August 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

Actually I heard an interesting explanation for this one once. Apparently God wanted to make sure his message was cemented, making sure the Egyptians knew that their gods were useless, as well as letting other nations know not to mess with the Israelites.

My best guess is after this he put on a black resperator helmet and snuck q horse head ounder some guys sheets.
sounds very much like the basis for US foreign policy ...

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 06:48 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 30 August 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:


sounds very much like the basis for US foreign policy ...

Zing!

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 08:59 AM

i find the old testament quoters kinda silly.  at bare minimum the text has gone through like, three languages, at most a bit more than that.  when you translate between languages you find that preserving exact sentiments is... pretty much impossible.  filter though more than one such translation and holy chrome, who KNOWS what the original text actually meant!


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 10:07 AM

View PostDecoNoir, on 30 August 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

Yeah, I've noticed he's done this several times.... do any of us warrant stalkers?

It was a spam bot, each post had a surreptitious placement of a 1x1 pixel image that links to another site.


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 12:13 PM

another thing to consider about biblical stuff.. there are SO MANY versions existing today... what translation do you consider valid? why?  i was raised (in the distant past) on the NIV (New International Version)... why is this more correct than the KJ (King James) version?  They don't exactly say the same thing given their differing language.  Surely divinely inspired transcript must perfectly retain its meaning, yeah?  So, which is that perfect meaning?  And, as always... why, why, WHY!?


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 03:27 PM

I did a little more searching and found this ,which is to long to post in it's entirety .it is a possible explanation .which acknowledges that it is the most difficult passage to understand ,.it is a PDF file








[attachment=68258:Allen-Ex4-Bloody-BSac.pdf


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:47 PM

View PostMystic Crusader, on 29 August 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

I double checked that chapter to see if anything else might be pertinent to it, the only thing I can come up with is that god is bat **** crazy and just likes to kill people.

The other thing: God really really digs circumcised penises.


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 04:56 PM

View Postcacoseraph, on 30 August 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

i find the old testament quoters kinda silly.  at bare minimum the text has gone through like, three languages, at most a bit more than that.  when you translate between languages you find that preserving exact sentiments is... pretty much impossible.  filter though more than one such translation and holy chrome, who KNOWS what the original text actually meant!

That's why it uses simple words and phrasing which easily and precisely translate into any language.

If someone intended to preserve the meaning, they would have been extremely careful not to mistakenly claim God had murderous intent if that weren't what the text said, however that's is indeed what the text says. It's no big deal. God regularly flies off the handle over little things in this part of the Bible so it's hardly an odd case of God threatening to kill someone.





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