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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:45 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 04 September 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

SuperSoylent is/was a member of UM. Great videos.

yeh I remember and he had a great take/pov of the show too!

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

View PostMaars, on 04 September 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

Herewith my previous response on a similar topic around the authors behind the series etc:

"I will not rely that much on Von Daniken. He seems to have been a fraud from an early age and seemingly admiitted in lying in his books -

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Von_Daniken

Some interesting film you may want to see:-

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com  "


some choice quotes on V-D   :lol:


"The ideas put forth in his books are largely rejected by scientists and academics, who categorize his work as pseudohistory and pseudoarchaeology".

At the age of 19, von Däniken was given a four-month suspended sentence for theft.[6] Von Däniken withdrew from school, and became apprenticed to a Swiss hotelier.[7] After moving to Egypt, he was convicted for fraud and embezzlement.[6]

Von Däniken wrote his first book while working as manager of the Hotel Rosenhügel in Davos, Switzerland. He was convicted of several financial crimes, including fraud, shortly after its publication.[4] The revenue from the sales of his book allowed him to repay his debts and leave the hotel business. Von Däniken wrote his second book, Gods from Outer Space, while in prison.

Previous to von Däniken's work, other authors had presented ideas of extraterrestrial contacts. Von Däniken failed to credit properly or at all, these authors, even when making the same claims using similar or identical evidence.

http://en.wikipedia....ch_von_Däniken

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:04 PM

View Postseeder, on 04 September 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Previous to von Däniken's work, other authors had presented ideas of extraterrestrial contacts. Von Däniken failed to credit properly or at all, these authors, even when making the same claims using similar or identical evidence.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:33 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 04 September 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

Otherwise also know as the quack quotes quack carousel.

...hey now, last time I saw recent footage of him, he had a clearing adoring (and hot) boyfriend some decades younger than him. He's not doing everything wrong.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:45 PM

The thing that get me is he sold 64,000,000,copies. That just blows me away


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:49 PM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 04 September 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

The thing that get me is he sold 64,000,000,copies. That just blows me away

He is still baby comparing to Jules Verne. Im mean they are in similar category. Only Verne is demigod for him.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:00 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 04 September 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

He is still baby comparing to Jules Verne. Im mean they are in similar category. Only Verne is demigod for him.

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But Verne never tried to claim his stories were true. Stephen King sold a lot of books but that's not the same thing


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:04 PM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 04 September 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

But Verne never tried to claim his stories were true. Stephen King sold a lot of books but that's not the same thing

Never claimed but they become true. :w00t:
On another hand maybe Eric is literatures blair witch project.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 04 September 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Never claimed but they become true. :w00t:
On another hand maybe Eric is literatures blair witch project.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:08 PM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 04 September 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

The thing that get me is he sold 64,000,000,copies. That just blows me away

It's like I usually say about von Däniken's book sales: Fewer people have contributed so strongly to human stupidity.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:33 PM

View Postwillowdreams, on 04 September 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Here is what I want to know; The life and times of Van Daniken are riddled with illegal activity. He lies so badly, and we know it is badly, because we can google and find the facts in less than a minute after hitting send to see where he knowingly lies

These are facts about him

It is fact that his teachings/writings on ancient aliens is a lie

SO why is it that people who are smart, capable of researching online and finding the facts in less time then it takes to have a bowel movement, still believe him? Take him as fact and defend him?

THAT is what I find confusing. I understand kids/teens and those who are not afraid to show people that they do not want facts to get in the way of their delusional beliefs, but adults capable of thinking and researching who claim to want to know the truth?

What's up with that?
One important fact you have omitted here is that EVD was once confronted with proof of his own actual fraud - he had hired a potter to create a plate with a pic of a UFO and a grey alien on it which, in one of his books, he claimed had been found at some ancient site during an archaeological dig.

The good people at the BBC Horizon program located and interviewed the potter and confronted EVD with the evidence.

EVD admitted to the fraud and, as an excuse, stated that without some sort of hard evidence, people wouldn't believe his claims.

It's an old program.  I saw it on NOVA.  You can see it on youtube.  It's an hour long.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:37 PM

View Postseeder, on 04 September 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:



Previous to von Däniken's work, other authors had presented ideas of extraterrestrial contacts. Von Däniken failed to credit properly or at all, these authors, even when making the same claims using similar or identical evidence.

http://en.wikipedia....ch_von_Däniken

Just another mumbo jumbo merchant

Henri Lhote (1903–1991) was a French author, explorer, ethnographer, and "expert on prehistoric cave art" who described and is credited for the discovery of "important cave paintings" in an "assembly of 800 or more magnificent works of primitive art...in a virtually inaccessible region on the edge of the Sahara desert" Lhote was an early ancient astronaut theorist and considered the prehistoric art as evidence of paleocontact.

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The popular press gave much attention to Lhote's hypothesis of a prehistoric close encounter and it was later incorporated into the '"sensationalist claims" made by Erich von Däniken that ancient extraterrestrial astronauts visited prehistoric Earth.

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The value of Lhote's scholarship was also challenged by The Journal of North African Studies, an academic journal affiliated with the University of East Anglia:

http://www.unexplain...45#entry4459083


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 12:14 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 04 September 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

It's like I usually say about von Däniken's book sales: Fewer people have contributed so strongly to human stupidity.

Or as I say, Daniken has saved the world from ever being short of toilet paper.

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 01:20 AM

View PostHarte, on 04 September 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

One important fact you have omitted here is that EVD was once confronted with proof of his own actual fraud - he had hired a potter to create a plate with a pic of a UFO and a grey alien on it which, in one of his books, he claimed had been found at some ancient site during an archaeological dig.

The good people at the BBC Horizon program located and interviewed the potter and confronted EVD with the evidence.

EVD admitted to the fraud and, as an excuse, stated that without some sort of hard evidence, people wouldn't believe his claims.

It's an old program.  I saw it on NOVA.  You can see it on youtube.  It's an hour long.




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If you have no hard evidence just manufacture some, that's rich. My favorite was the Nazca lines where he claimed one pic showed what looked like an airport taxi way and parking area until you look at the same spot in perspective and realize the proposed aliens would have to have been pretty tiny

Edited by spacecowboy342, 05 September 2013 - 01:24 AM.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 01:23 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 04 September 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

It's like I usually say about von Däniken's book sales: Fewer people have contributed so strongly to human stupidity.
Reminds me of that quote from Einstein about two things being infinite, the universe and human stupidity and he wasn't sure about the universe






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