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Posted 23 November 2013 - 04:07 PM

View Postcladking, on 23 November 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

If you visited a planet with talking apes would you show them which plants were good for
various maladies or give them plans for building power plants and a pharmaceutical industry?
Both plus the knowledge how to build and use the latter.  You didn't answer the first part.  Did man figure it out on his own or did aliens have to teach the ancients?

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 04:09 PM

View Postcladking, on 23 November 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

If you visited a planet with talking apes would you show them which plants were good for
various maladies or give them plans for building power plants and a pharmaceutical industry?

when ancient man picked and chewed a coca leaf to see if it was any good.... he immediately learned 2 things.... his heart started racing and he couldn't rest/ sleep, and his mouth went numb... so he learned he can keep awake and have energy... and he also learned about  anaesthetic..

when he ate too many figs or plums and crapped all day after.. he learned about laxatives.. when he ate cannabis buds in trial and error search for food... he learnt to get very chilled and relaxed...

when he saw another guy drop dead from eating a poisonous plant... he learned not to eat the same... simple.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 04:32 PM

View Postseeder, on 23 November 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

when he saw another guy drop dead from eating a poisonous plant... he learned not to eat the same... simple.
And then we get to the many members of the Nightshade family, Foxglove and Valerian.  They must have been some seriously busy aliens. ;)

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 08:13 PM

Too bad the aliens just didn't go ahead and show us penicillin and how to make morphine from opium


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 08:23 PM

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Too bad the aliens just didn't go ahead and show us penicillin and how to make morphine from opium

Or toilet paper!    I would be real PO'd if aliens came down and did not teach us how to make toilet paper.   Leaves giving our butts a rash or even the Sears catalog giving us paper cuts.   All bad.


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 08:42 PM

And what's with making us use copper tools to carve huge blocks of stone for building? They couldn't have taught us about concrete or at least forging steel for tools to do their pyramid building?


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

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Or toilet paper! I would be real PO'd if aliens came down and did not teach us how to make toilet paper.   Leaves giving our butts a rash or even the Sears catalog giving us paper cuts.   All bad.
Yeah, and how about a little soap, for God's sake?

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 10:22 PM

View PostHarte, on 23 November 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Yeah, and how about a little soap, for God's sake?

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:46 AM

The proper handling of wastewater has probably saved a billion lives by now.

The alien overlords could've told us about that, at least.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:07 AM

View PostMyles, on 23 November 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

Or toilet paper! I would be real PO'd if aliens came down and did not teach us how to make toilet paper.   Leaves giving our butts a rash or even the Sears catalog giving us paper cuts.   All bad.
Install a spray or bidet apparatus and get your butt really clean and save all the money and hassle on paper and stop having skid marks on your underwear.  I think toilet paper is something invented by aliens, and the absence of spray mechanism presents a serious problem for the elderly and obese and others with locomotion problems.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:08 AM

I would be more inclined to believe in AA if somewhere in the ancient texts or stone carvings or Egyptian hieroglyphs we found something that translates to  "verily I say unto you E=mc^2


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:08 AM

The problem with most folk medicine is that often as not they got it wrong.  Something worked, maybe for entirely coincidental reasons, and it goes on the list.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 03:56 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 December 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

The problem with most folk medicine is that often as not they got it wrong.  Something worked, maybe for entirely coincidental reasons, and it goes on the list.
Or you get a lot of, hey this worked for that, let's also use it here.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 10 December 2013 - 01:00 AM

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The thing is, archaeologists had tested the dirt UNDER some of the large stones at P-Punku and were able to date the organic material  found under them to the times given, Which therefore DOES date the Parthenon as being much older, the 1000 years I have quoted in fact. But the Parthenon while grand, is one of MANY fine ancient buildings/monuments, all preceding the efforts at PP


Determining the age of the Pumapunku complex has been a focus of researchers since the discovery of the Tiwanaku site. As noted by Andean specialist, Binghamton University Anthropology professor W. H. Isbell,[2] a radiocarbon date was obtained by Vranich[3] from organic material from lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill forming the Pumapunku. This layer was deposited during the first of three construction epochs and dates the initial construction of the Pumapunku to CE 536–600 (1510 ±25 B.P. C14, calibrated date). Since the radiocarbon date came from the lowermost and oldest layer of mound-fill underlying the andesite and sandstone stonework, the stonework must have been constructed sometime after CE 536–600. The excavation trenches of Vranich show that the clay, sand, and gravel fill of the Pumapunku complex lie directly on the sterile middle Pleistocene sediments. These excavation trenches also demonstrated the lack of any pre-Andean Middle Horizon cultural deposits within the area of the Tiwanaku Site adjacent to the Pumapunku complex.[3]

http://en.wikipedia....i/Pumapunku#Age


I see why you may come to that conclusion if you think in those terms, but I still don't see that as definitive proof of the age of when the stones were cut.

First of all, and being very nit-picky about it... I wasn't there when the samples were taken. So I have to take their word for it that said samples came from mentioned depths etc... Like I said... nit-picky... but when considering what the "fringe" say about evidence being concealed or altered to follow a certain paradigm, it's something I take into slight consideration at times... not so much here(of course) though as much as my next point.

More importantly, taking samples from underneath rocks, and then saying that a certain people are responsible for the entire process of quarrying-to-assembly is just guessing at best.

You yourself showed that a less technological people(by todays standards) can MOVE rocks with the use of manpower and ropes with this pic:
tiwanakurock.jpg


So it's also entirely possible that the people of the time you speak of, came across a ruined Puma Punka and redeployed the rocks as they saw fit.
Afterall, we kinda did something similar at the Tiawanku site in the recent past.

Considering the distances some of these ancient sites are from their quarries, all around the world, it's entirely possible that the Puma Punka site isn't even the original site of the blocks. They could have been originally erected miles away originally or perhaps even just 100 meters, and we wouldn't have a clue.
So we can't say for certain when the rocks at Puma Pumka were originally cut/carved.
Moved perhaps, but that alone, does not answer the real question of when quarried or by who.

History, in Europe/Asia/Africa shows us that later civilizations, have used the constructs of previous ones, time and time again, and taking very large blocks etc for very long distances was commonplace.


Picture if something were to wipe us out today and man had to start all over again with only pockets of survivours here and there, and a few thousand years later, they discover the pyramids(which were only legends to them), and then maybe another 1000yrs they develope their own version of carbon dating. Then they start dating Cairo to find out that the pyramids are only a few thousand yrs old... because they're dating artifacts in today's Cairo(us today) and because of the huge population center there, they might think we built the pyramids. Especially when they find our technology like lighting systems, ladders, anything really, that's presently inside inside the pyramids.
Sure, when exploring all the surrounding areas of Giza/Cairo, they may come across a few anomalies with much older dates, but they also might likely attribute those anomalies to the original "tribal" settlers that "founded" Cairo... before the giant city(present day) was built, who then built the pyramids.

Again, I don't buy the alien stuff, but I also don't suscribe completely to what the "mainstream" says is fact... because it's not fact... It's speculation... Especially, the older stuff, where all were really left with is stone.


Personally, I believe man did indeed build Puma Punku and Tiawanaku. A very technoloically sofisticated peoples... not like us with all our mechanical/electrical devices, but perhaps on par or just less, technologically, just in a very different way that we don't know of.... And then something happened to them. When and what, I have no clue of course, but they were gone. Then people like the Mayan, Inca etc came later and made use of the constructs and made them their own.

I'm not talking some Atlantis or anything either, just a people who were extremely advanced(for their time when compared against what our "history" book tell us)... and much more advanced than the "native" peoples who followed... Perhaps even more advanced then the Spanish who followed them.

But that's just my opinion.

One note on the pic above... good pic too btw... but too bad it's not a moving pic, I'm curious to know how it worked out for these guys... Did they move it? Or did it prove to be too much and this is a pic of the attempt?...I see the info listed, but all I could find was the same pic on Wiki that said the same info... How far did they move it without stopping before rest/maintenance was needed? Also wonder what kind of rock it is, and did they quarry it out themselves, or are they moving an older block, already cut in the past?
Not trying to infer doubt about that pic, I'm just really interested in the answers to those questions.
Looks like they certainly thought moving it was a good idea lol
It would be awesome to see them actually qurarry it out, and transport it, and set it up at it's destination. Depending on certain things, such as type of rock, tools used, etc... they could answer a whole lot of questions for skeptics... like me :)

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 03:48 AM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 23 November 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Too bad the aliens just didn't go ahead and show us penicillin and how to make morphine from opium

Are you kidding?! There's no time for medicine when you have rocks that need stacking!!!!

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