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#1    Child of Bast

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 01:34 AM

I'm watching a show called Haunted History on History Channel 2 purely out of curiosity because this episode's topic will bring more visitors to the blog I have with three friends. They've mentioned a possible connection between H H Holmes and Jack the Ripper. Has anyone else heard that an American might've been Jack? Apparently Holmes traveled to London in 1888 in an attempt to sell human skeletons to a London medical school.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:00 AM

H.H. Holmes means of killing was too different to Jack's for them to be the same person, serial killers don't often change their pathology.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:10 AM

there is a complete documentary on netflix about him, this guy was ****ed up.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:28 AM

View Postancient astronaut, on 31 August 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

there is a complete documentary on netflix about him, this guy was ****ed up.

That was such a bad documentary. Horrible re-enactments, super boring narrator. It looked like it was made by a terrible film student.
The subject and info was fascinating, but by god was the film bad.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:39 AM

View Postancient astronaut, on 31 August 2013 - 02:10 AM, said:

there is a complete documentary on netflix about him, this guy was ****ed up.

Which guy?

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 02:45 AM

View PostChild of Bast, on 31 August 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Which guy?

HH Holmes

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 04:58 AM

Homes was active during the Chicago World Fair, somewhere around 1892 I think. Yes, he was a serial killer and yes, he preyed on young women. However, method of murder was completely different to Jack. Holmes had sometimes long, sexual relationships with his victims. He would lure them into a soundproof room and asphyxiate them with poison gas. He got his jollies watching them die. Hat wearer is completely correct. Serial killers rarely change their MO that radically.


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:47 AM

View PostChild of Bast, on 31 August 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Which guy?  

H. H. Holmes

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Herman Webster Mudgett, better known under the alias of Dr. Henry Howard Holmes, was one of the first documented American serial killers in the modern sense of the term. Wikipedia

Edited by ancient astronaut, 31 August 2013 - 05:52 AM.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:50 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 31 August 2013 - 02:28 AM, said:

That was such a bad documentary. Horrible re-enactments, super boring narrator. It looked like it was made by a terrible film student.
The subject and info was fascinating, but by god was the film bad.
I agree with the acting. But the subject (no matter how gruesome) was fascinating, don't you agree? This man was a complete Psychopath, (and Sociopath as well). I will say this, His methodology was extremely impressive.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:52 AM

View Postancient astronaut, on 31 August 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

I agree with the acting. But the subject (no matter how gruesome) was fascinating, don't you agree? This man was a complete Psychopath, (and Sociopath as well). I will say this, His methodology was extremely impressive.

Oh, indeed. Fascinating and a wealth of information, just so, so painful to watch.

I did like all the trap doors and secret passages in the crazy house he built.

Edited by Imaginarynumber1, 31 August 2013 - 05:53 AM.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:54 AM

View PostChild of Bast, on 31 August 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Which guy?

Well, it's funny you ask that. It has been suggested that they are one and the same (hh, jack the ripper). A lot of evidence to support this claim.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:56 AM

View PostChild of Bast, on 31 August 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

I'm watching a show called Haunted History on History Channel 2 purely out of curiosity because this episode's topic will bring more visitors to the blog I have with three friends. They've mentioned a possible connection between H H Holmes and Jack the Ripper. Has anyone else heard that an American might've been Jack? Apparently Holmes traveled to London in 1888 in an attempt to sell human skeletons to a London medical school.

It seems to add up that Mudgett (H.H. Holmes) was indeed the Ripper. Only time will tell if this holds water.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:57 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 31 August 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

Oh, indeed. Fascinating and a wealth of information, just so, so painful to watch.

I did like all the trap doors and secret passages in the crazy house he built.
Don't forget the Gas in the walls.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:00 AM

View PostAntilles, on 31 August 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

Homes was active during the Chicago World Fair, somewhere around 1892 I think. Yes, he was a serial killer and yes, he preyed on young women. However, method of murder was completely different to Jack. Holmes had sometimes long, sexual relationships with his victims. He would lure them into a soundproof room and asphyxiate them with poison gas. He got his jollies watching them die. Hat wearer is completely correct. Serial killers rarely change their MO that radically.
But it has been postulated that Holmes was attempting something new with the Ripper Killings (If indeed he was Jack).

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 10:14 AM

Let's say for a millisecond that he was Jack.

Then Mudgett had gone to London and lived there for the 2 or so months that Jack was active in 1888. Is there any proof of this? Then he returns to the US, lays low for 3 years, then starts murdering again in a completely different way?

If you have any legit proof that Mudgett left the US and lived in London in the fall of 1888, then you could be onto something.

But you have to prove it.





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