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#1    danielost

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 03:43 PM

It is said that there are only two major political parties in the usa.  But, there are four, or at least there is supposed to be.

These parties are the demcrats, the republicans, the press, and the courts.  Te democrats and republicans are elected into office.  The court is appointed for life (this is so they don't have to worry about making unpopuler jugdements.  Anyone can be a member of the press.

What they believe in and their stance on government.  The liberals believe that the government can do no wrong.  So they will vote for anything that gives the government more power. This includes money.  They don't care if it is good or bad for the country.

The conservitives believe in a smaller government. They will only take a stand if a law goes against their agendas.

The press,s job is to keep the government honest.  The main stream media, and the three big cable news are backing one or the other of the two political partes.  They are not doing their job for the people.

The supreme court is supposed to decide if a law is constitutional or not. Intead they are backing which ever party is in power.

Further, we have anounted nobels. These would be those in office, ie the people holding office cannot be elected out of office.

I propose that we put in term limits of six years at a time.  Meaning you can hold office for six years, then you have to wait six years to run again.  If your in office longer than that you lose touch with the people.

The last thing we need is for another person dieing in office, because they have been in office for seventy years.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:53 PM

I'm not sure I follow you on this one. In what sense are the Court (do you mean the Supreme Court, or courts in general?) or the press a "political party?" We have three branches of government in the  (executive, legislative, judicial) to which members of a given political party are elected/appointed. Also, tell a liberal that the "government can do no wrong," and a polite one will say "huh?" A more aggressive liberal might say, "Nixon, Reagan, Bush and W. Bush governments--lots wrong."

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Can you clarify?

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:13 PM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 31 August 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I'm not sure I follow you on this one. In what sense are the Court (do you mean the Supreme Court, or courts in general?) or the press a "political party?" We have three branches of government in the  (executive, legislative, judicial) to which members of a given political party are elected/appointed. Also, tell a liberal that the "government can do no wrong," and a polite one will say "huh?" A more aggressive liberal might say, "Nixon, Reagan, Bush and W. Bush governments--lots wrong."

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Can you clarify?

I am calling them parties, because they influence government and they are supposed to be seppirate from the other two parties.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:40 AM

Iíve not heard of the media being the 4th political party.  But I have heard them being the 4th Estate.  The 1st being the clergy.  The 2nd being nobility (ruling elite).  And the 3rd being everyone else.  And the 5th is us bloggers.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 03:16 AM

The first right is freedom of religeon, of speach, of the press.  These three rights are just as important as the others.

Freedom of religeon, the right to tell the government to get out if they try to tell you how, who, when, and where you CAN WORSHIP.

Freedom of speach and of the press is given so you can say what ever you want, without fear of arrest. (almost)

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:36 AM

Well Daniel, as usual you fall slightly short, there are more then 4 parties active in more than half the States:

The Democrats
The Republicans
The Libertarians
The Green Party
The Constitution Party

Parties that are active in less than half the Sates are:

America First Party
American Conservative Party
American Freedom Party
Americans Elect
America's Party
Christian Liberty Party
Citizens Party of the United States
Communist Party USA
Freedom Socialist Party
Independent American Party
Justice Party
Modern Whig Party
National Socialist Movement
Objectivist Party
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Peace and Freedom Party
Prohibition Party
Reform Party of the United States of America
Socialist Action
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Workers Party
United States Marijuana Party
United States Pacifist Party
Pirate Party
Unity Party of America
Workers World Party

Besides that there are 30 parties operating at State level (mostly independence movements) and the Independents (or the party of all those who do not have a party).

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:15 PM

View Postdanielost, on 31 August 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

I am calling them parties, because they influence government and they are supposed to be seppirate from the other two parties.

If you called them unicorns, would that make them so? :no:


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:25 PM

Question mark you are correct.  But they all fall somewhere on the liberal, conservitive line.  Which is why I switched from democarts to liberal and republican to conservitive.  Further, I said major parties.  So you still need remediaul reading, and I need spelling.

Me, I am independent.

Edited by danielost, 01 September 2013 - 02:31 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:29 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 01 September 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:



If you called them unicorns, would that make them so? :no:

We call them donkeys and elephants and consider them that.  So yes they would be unicorns.  The press and the courts stear the government when the democrts and republicans fail to do so.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:29 PM

View Postdanielost, on 01 September 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Question mark you are correct.  But they all fall somewhere on the liberal, conservitive line.  Which is why I switched from democarts to liberal and republican to conservitive.  Further, I said major parties.  So you still need remediaul reading, and I need spelling.

The Communists and the Socialist Workers party do not, and if you say major parties there are only 2, the others are irrelevant.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:34 PM

View Postdanielost, on 01 September 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Question mark you are correct.  But they all fall somewhere on the liberal, conservitive line.  Which is why I switched from democarts to liberal and republican to conservitive.  Further, I said major parties.  So you still need remediaul reading, and I need spelling.

Me, I am independent.
You are partially correct.  All those that questionmark listed will align with either Conservative or Socialist.  That includes Independent.  There are only two political parties, two philosophies, two mindsets.  One believes that the individual controls his own destiny and therefore has Natural Rights and the other believes in controlling the individual and that only government can provide everything.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:48 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 01 September 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

You are partially correct.  All those that questionmark listed will align with either Conservative or Socialist.  That includes Independent.  There are only two political parties, two philosophies, two mindsets.  One believes that the individual controls his own destiny and therefore has Natural Rights and the other believes in controlling the individual and that only government can provide everything.

That is not correct either, because all who have a little brain will believe in the basic principle that law exists so the strong does not harm the weak. And therefore a government is needed. And where egotism and asocial behavior are at large a large government is needed.

Conservatives are there to keep the power with those who are exercising it and progressives will want to give power to those who are denied by those who have it.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 10:21 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 01 September 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

That is not correct either, because all who have a little brain will believe in the basic principle that law exists so the strong does not harm the weak.
Thatís very good and how does that change what I said?  If you read the Preamble of our Constitution, it heavily implies Natural Rights.  It says that the government shall establish justice, not impose laws.  Conservatives believe in Rights and Responsibilities under the law.  Socialism just wants blind obedience.

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And therefore a government is needed. And where egotism and asocial behavior are at large a large government is needed.
Not exactly.  As said before, government is just to establish justice, not keep in check egotism and asocial behavior.  A society can regulate itself.  A large government canít do that.  It can only impose more laws.  What is needed is fewer laws and more responsibility.  Responsibility is learned from society, not government.  Thatís the main difference between Conservatives and Socialists.

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Conservatives are there to keep the power with those who are exercising it and progressives will want to give power to those who are denied by those who have it.
Thatís kind of backwards as itís the Socialist that needs to control power.  The Conservative believes in the power of the individual.  Thatís how the Constitution came into being.  You want to impose laws so that everyone acts the same, the way you want.  That was the reason for the Revolutionary War.  That is way more power than Conservatives ever want.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 07:45 AM

There is more to the political system than just the conservative-liberal scale.  One can be a big government conservative or a small government liberal for example.  To say that all political parties are basically shades of the Republican and Democratic party really does a disservice to the issues and values that the smaller parties stand for.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:22 AM

View PostRavenHawk, on 01 September 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

You are partially correct.  All those that questionmark listed will align with either Conservative or Socialist.  That includes Independent.  There are only two political parties, two philosophies, two mindsets.  One believes that the individual controls his own destiny and therefore has Natural Rights and the other believes in controlling the individual and that only government can provide everything.
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