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#1    Elfin

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:24 PM

And decides to put a war against Syria to a parliamentary vote.


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:33 PM

Hopefully Congress votes against. After 12 years of war we don't need to find another fire to put out.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:43 PM

It should automatically be assumed that anytime we are military involved in a country that it gets put to a vote by congress.


Our presidents should not have the power to start wars.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:50 PM

After listening to congressmen on TV tonight,I think Obama might struggle to get a yes vote.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:02 AM

View Postshaddow134, on 31 August 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

After listening to congressmen on TV tonight,I think Obama might struggle to get a yes vote.

Perhaps I was dozing in class, but I didn't hear Obama say this issue was going to be put to a vote in Congress. It should be, but I didn't hear that. He will consult congress and 'allies.' Consult means a lot of things, but not an up/down vote. What is more telling is that Obama has game-changed three times, in just this past week. As I was reminded, weeks ago in another thread, that is not leadership. It is embarrassing.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:23 AM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 01 September 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

Perhaps I was dozing in class, but I didn't hear Obama say this issue was going to be put to a vote in Congress. It should be, but I didn't hear that. He will consult congress and 'allies.' Consult means a lot of things, but not an up/down vote. What is more telling is that Obama has game-changed three times, in just this past week. As I was reminded, weeks ago in another thread, that is not leadership. It is embarrassing.

From what I understand Obama has sent a letter to Congress asking for Authorisation for limited military action against Assad.This would require a vote.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:42 AM

Obama is a peace prize winner you know


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:45 AM

View Postshaddow134, on 31 August 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

After listening to congressmen on TV tonight,I think Obama might struggle to get a yes vote.

Thats what Obama wants, he can then say "well, I WANTED top, but ya know...congress can't get anything done."

Dude's machiavellian as *****

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:47 AM

View PostSkepticalB, on 01 September 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

Thats what Obama wants, he can then say "well, I WANTED top, but ya know...congress can't get anything done."

Dude's machiavellian as *****

Ha, good point. I really think that to be plausible.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:49 AM

Its honestly one of the few things about him I'm all about.  Specific personal views he and i disagree on, among other things, but damn if he doesn't know how to play the game.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:23 AM

View PostSkepticalB, on 01 September 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

Its honestly one of the few things about him I'm all about.  Specific personal views he and i disagree on, among other things, but damn if he doesn't know how to play the game.
He has an absolutely enormous ego though...he does NOT like having his hand slapped by anyone.  My guess is he loses this one  though - no Syrian strike.  While that MAY be a good thing, it also is detrimental to the country as well.  He diminishes the office nearly every time he opens his mouth imo.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:26 AM

Ah, hes not all that bad.  I'm not fighting cats in back alleys over scraps of food so I'm pretty happy.

I think all of them have to have an ego or they wouldn't believe they're the right person to run the country, and his is telling him that its in his best interest to not get involved, so when this inevitably fails, since congress is held by the republican party at this point who aren't interested in this particular war, he has a scape goat

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:29 AM

View PostSkepticalB, on 01 September 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:

Ah, hes not all that bad.  I'm not fighting cats in back alleys over scraps of food so I'm pretty happy.

I think all of them have to have an ego or they wouldn't believe they're the right person to run the country, and his is telling him that its in his best interest to not get involved, so when this inevitably fails, since congress is held by the republican party at this point who aren't interested in this particular war, he has a scape goat
I don't doubt his political ability.  But there are times when right is right and it should be done regardless the politics.  Both parties seem to have lost that wisdom and it isn't good for the country.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:30 AM

Well, I won't argue morality, that's not my thing.

But I will say these men act in their best interest, and since they are who run the country, whats good for them is generally good for all of us.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 09:11 AM

It seems Republicans want to agree with Obama





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