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#1    granpa

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 12:41 AM

There seems to be a lot of confusion about introverts and extroverts.

Extroverts focus on outward appearance while introverts focus on the underlying reality.
This is the fundamental difference between them. All other things follow from this.

Introverts like people but don't like mindless mobs of people judging them by their appearance.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:15 AM

I guess I am one who has confusion about this. I have always considered extroverts as being those who are more open about sharing of themselves with others while introverts are more closed off and private about themselves. I tend to cycle between the two depending on my comfort level in a given situation


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:21 AM

and what do you think determines your "comfort level"?

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:27 AM

I'm not sure exactly. It's hard to predict. Obviously I'm more comfortable around friends than strangers but it's more complicated than that. Some strangers I just seem to have a natural rapport with while others make me uncomfortable.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:43 AM

I find when discussing this sort of thing with my students is "introverts play Skyrim, extranets play World of Warcraft" works as a good rule of thumb.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:52 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 02 September 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

I find when discussing this sort of thing with my students is "introverts play Skyrim, extranets play World of Warcraft" works as a good rule of thumb.
I don't play either but I do like HALO


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:52 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 02 September 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

I find when discussing this sort of thing with my students is "introverts play Skyrim, extranets play World of Warcraft" works as a good rule of thumb.

Im more of an introvert and I play Skyrim. never played Warcraft.

So your theory is right here :yes:

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:24 AM

I think I am both. I love being in front of the camera... or on the microphone to entertain.
I like my outward appearance. I do like to go out but only if it's with people I know a lot or like.

I don't like to go to places with large crowds with people I don't know or like.
In that aspect I'm an introvert... If I know about a party and I know who's going to to be there
and it might be boring, Then I rather stay home and read write and watch movies.
But if it's a place where I can sing or be on stage and have a few drinks, then i will want to be on stage.

I'm strange like that, I suppose I like to be out and get attention.. yet I am a bit dark and secretive...
and don't like to go out, unless it's a very fun event.. that I feel comfortable and excited about.
But just hanging with a group of people who i have nothing in common with..
will make me want to be an introvert and stay home that day..

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:22 AM

View Postgranpa, on 02 September 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

There seems to be a lot of confusion about introverts and extroverts.

Extroverts focus on outward appearance while introverts focus on the underlying reality.
This is the fundamental difference between them. All other things follow from this.

Introverts like people but don't like mindless mobs of people judging them by their appearance.


My understanding of the definition of Extrovert is, one who  becomes energized by being in the presence of lots of people; and the Introvert is exhausted by being around lots of people and prefers to be alone or with small groups to just one other person.

I think saying, "Extroverts focus on outward appearance while introverts focus on the underlying reality.  This is the fundamental difference between them. All other things follow from this." is a biased statement, perhaps personal because I know introverts that are very concerned about how they appear to other people and definitely a lot of extroverts that don't give a hoot about their "outward appearance" they just like to be around a lot of people and love the attention.

When you talk about peoples feelings on their personal appearance that leans more toward Self Esteem issues and not necessarily related to being an Extro/Inrovert.

It was thought that Extroverts were more confident and thus less likely to be concerned about appearance and Introverts less confident thus more concerned about their appearance; BUT this is not necessarily so.  It certainly may be true in some circumstances but it is more of an individual situation.  As I stated above, I know introverts that are very concerned about how they appear to other people and definitely a lot of extroverts that don't give a hoot about their "outward appearance" they just like to be around a lot of people and love the attention.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:26 AM

Introverts are engaged in a sea of passion in their own minds.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:34 AM

lava lady you are equating "focusing on" with "caring about"
It isn't that simple.
If I had meant "care about" I would have said "care about".

obviously if you stick an introvert in a mindless mob of people that are judging him by his appearance
then he is of course going to worry a great deal about his appearance.
and he is going to want to get away from that mindless mob of people

Edited by granpa, 02 September 2013 - 07:13 AM.

I have cooked you a meal, cut it into little pieces, and set it before you  but I'm not going to chew it for you
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Posted 02 September 2013 - 07:45 AM

View Postgranpa, on 02 September 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

lava lady you are equating "focusing on" with "caring about"
It isn't that simple.
If I had meant "care about" I would have said "care about".

obviously if you stick an introvert in a mindless mob of people that are judging him by his appearance
then he is of course going to worry a great deal about his appearance.
and he is going to want to get away from that mindless mob of people

With all due respect, I am not equating "focusing on" with "caring about".

If you put either an Extrovert or an Introvert into a "mindless mob of people that are judging him by his appearance"  room and tell them "Your appearance is being judged" then yes, I agree that he/she will worry about it.

But what I was getting at is that I don't agree with your definitions.  "Extroverts focus on outward appearance while introverts focus on the underlying reality."  That's all.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 07:52 AM

extroverts thrive in crowds and there is no such thing as a crowd that does not judge people by appearances.
That is all

Edited by granpa, 02 September 2013 - 07:53 AM.

I have cooked you a meal, cut it into little pieces, and set it before you  but I'm not going to chew it for you
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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:45 AM

View Postgranpa, on 02 September 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

extroverts thrive in crowds and there is no such thing as a crowd that does not judge people by appearances.
That is all

Crowds that judge as a unit are typically organized, perhaps a contest but, in a random crowd each individual will judge on their own, this is the human condition and it happens all the time.   That wasn't what I was disagreeing with.

Once again, all that I was saying is that I disagree with your definitions but, it seems you are becoming a bit sardonic and are not very open to discussion.  Or am I just judging you thusly?

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:48 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 02 September 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

Crowds that judge as a unit are typically organized, perhaps a contest but, in a random crowd each individual will judge on their own,

so mobs are rational? That's so wrong that its not even worthy of a reply

Edited by granpa, 02 September 2013 - 08:53 AM.

I have cooked you a meal, cut it into little pieces, and set it before you  but I'm not going to chew it for you
And no one is forcing you to eat it. If you dont want it then dont eat it.

I am not a big believer in science by combat.
Arguing doesn't establish who is right. Arguing only establishes who is the better arguer.




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