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Jewish state existed before 1948?


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#16    cacoseraph

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:39 AM

i wasn't really aware the quasi Jewish ghettos were a secret?  such things have been popping up and dying down for like, over 1000 years.  seriously, if you con guys actually educated yourselves the world is a heck of a lot less mysterious.  then if you educated yourselves a bit more, you'd find out it is actually chock full of worth while mysteries of a decidedly more scientific nature


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:40 AM

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This smells like bull to me.
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this from a man who believes david icke is right.....

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:59 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 02 September 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

I suppose having a "Jewish Homeland" as part of your empire could have some benefits (ie spying - loads of Jews around the world having more loyalty to "the homeland" rather then where they live, slipping the odd little snippet of information here, the odd little snippet of information there back to the Homeland and thus Russia).

You think autonomy was bugged? Or that Jews would cooperate with Soviets? What do you think on post 11? Do you think that Soviets, USA have good intentions or...
You know what I found, in year 1934 when autonomy was created Hitler become Furher and it was a year of "Night of Long Knives."
Also maybe this explains why Japan was asked-they ruled over Mahchuria and inner Mongolia at that time.

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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 03 September 2013 - 11:59 AM.

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:00 PM

View Postcacoseraph, on 03 September 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

i wasn't really aware the quasi Jewish ghettos were a secret?  such things have been popping up and dying down for like, over 1000 years.  seriously, if you con guys actually educated yourselves the world is a heck of a lot less mysterious.  then if you educated yourselves a bit more, you'd find out it is actually chock full of worth while mysteries of a decidedly more scientific nature

Please Professor educate us! ;)

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:10 PM

for those looking for more info, the wikipedia article on the history of jews in russia has some, especially under the section titled: soviet union before world war II.

http://en.wikipedia...._Jews_in_Russia

i'm still not entirely sure where big bad voodoo is going with this.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:12 PM

View Postpatagonianhorsesnake, on 03 September 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:



i'm still not entirely sure where big bad voodoo is going with this.

Perhaps you maybe need to read my posts then.

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:20 PM

i am. your posts are filled with vague hints and suggestions at some sort of conspiracy, but you really do not seem to have much in the way of a concrete idea there. the articles i linked to do a pretty good job of explaining why stalin's government made the decision to form the jewish autonomous oblast, and they also show that it was an expirement that failed. what issue to you have with that?


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:24 PM

View Postpatagonianhorsesnake, on 03 September 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

i am. your posts are filled with vague hints and suggestions at some sort of conspiracy, but you really do not seem to have much in the way of a concrete idea there. the articles i linked to do a pretty good job of explaining why stalin's government made the decision to form the jewish autonomous oblast, and they also show that it was an expirement that failed. what issue to you have with that?

I dont know his intentions. What do you think, were they good or bad?

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 01:25 AM

View Postpatagonianhorsesnake, on 03 September 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

i am. your posts are filled with vague hints and suggestions at some sort of conspiracy, but you really do not seem to have much in the way of a concrete idea there. the articles i linked to do a pretty good job of explaining why stalin's government made the decision to form the jewish autonomous oblast, and they also show that it was an expirement that failed. what issue to you have with that?

It has been shown in the past that actual facts and reality don't play much of a part in the stories and "theories" BBV tries to push here and that he's not above cherry-picking sources and outright fabrication to try to back up his position.

Ignoring his silly and disingenuous rantings is probably the best thing to do.




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Posted 04 September 2013 - 01:30 AM

No conspiracy here. Next!


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:10 AM

View PostCzero 101, on 04 September 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

It has been shown in the past that actual facts and reality don't play much of a part in the stories and "theories" BBV tries to push here and that he's not above cherry-picking sources and outright fabrication to try to back up his position.

Ignoring his silly and disingenuous rantings is probably the best thing to do.




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First denial. Then ignoring. Whats next surpression? :w00t:

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:12 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 04 September 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

No conspiracy here. Next!

It depends how you look. If Soviets and USA wanted to get rid off Jews then we are having very BIG conspiracy. If they wanted to created state for Jews then my question is what about Palestinians? ;)

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:38 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 04 September 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:



It depends how you look. If Soviets and USA wanted to get rid off Jews then we are having very BIG conspiracy. If they wanted to created state for Jews then my question is what about Palestinians? ;)

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"It 'depends' how you look. 'If' the Soviets and USA..."? That's just speculation on your part.

Is there any evidence that they wanted to get rid of the Jews and that this was the method they employed?

Edited by Likely Guy, 04 September 2013 - 04:40 PM.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:19 PM

View PostLikely Guy, on 04 September 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

"It 'depends' how you look. 'If' the Soviets and USA..."? That's just speculation on your part.

Is there any evidence that they wanted to get rid of the Jews and that this was the method they employed?

You mean beside they moved them to far east? Well yes, they support Nazi machinery.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 03:43 AM

a couple of things worth noting:

several of the links explain this, i'm going to try and probably fail. it seems like stalin's thinking at the time was that the various ethnic groups within the soviet union could be divided up into "nationalities", each of which would have their own land set aside within the soviet union. he included the jewish people living in the country in that definition.

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According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework.

(from the wikipedia article)

it was antisemitism that ended the expirement, that was not the reason for beginning it. (though the idea itself was definitely... paternalistic? is that the right word? stalin definitely wanted the settlement to be the right form of judaism, ie, a secular, socialist kind). the soviets at the time were opposed to the idea of a jewish homeland in palestine.

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The Birobidzhan experiment ground to a halt in the mid-1930s, during Stalin's first campaign of purges. Soviet authorities arrested and executed Jewish leaders, and Yiddish schools were shut down.

i'd also note that no one here is suppressing you, bbv. you can say whatever you please, even if it doesn't make much sense.





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