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#1    danielost

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:17 AM

The bible says that god is the same today, tomorrow and yesterday.  So does that make him perfect.  Christ said to be perfect as god in heaven is.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:50 AM

Shouldn't this be in a religion forum?


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:37 AM

The Bible says a lot of crap, does not mean you should listen.

Edited by krypter3, 03 September 2013 - 06:41 AM.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:47 AM

Well correction, doesn't mean you have to listen...wait no...no you shouldn't listen.

Edited by krypter3, 03 September 2013 - 06:48 AM.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 07:17 AM

View Postdanielost, on 03 September 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

The bible says that god is the same today, tomorrow and yesterday.  So does that make him perfect.  Christ said to be perfect as god in heaven is.
Does God still enjoy the smell of burnt sacrifices?


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:16 AM

If god is the same today, tomorrow and yesterday then why did he bother with Jesus and the New Testament? Seems that if god is incapable of changing then he didn't need to write a new book.

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:32 PM

There is no such thing as perfection..it simply cannot exist in an environment that is always changing.
Perfection is a human concept, bound by perceptions and is entirely subjective and relative.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:35 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 03 September 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Does God still enjoy the smell of burnt sacrifices?

There are bunch of other things to present to push the OP's button.

But let's go easy on him. Seems like he's been through a lot, like me.

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:41 PM

I think it is a perfectly legitimate question..if such things as stoning people to death, butchering animals (and maybe a person if no animals are around) for blood sacrifices were so "perfect" (after all wasn't it the christian god that demanded such things?) then why was it eliminated?


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:48 PM

I don't know if God demanded stoning people to death but He did require blood sacrifices (one thing that I'll never quite understand).  That practice stopped when Jesus was crucified as He was the perfect sacrifice.

God, did, however, order the complete destruction of towns and peoples for whatever His reasonings were.  Men, women, children, and all animals.  Doesn't sound very compassionate and all forgiving to me.

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 01:35 PM

View Postdanielost, on 03 September 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

The bible says that god is the same today, tomorrow and yesterday.  So does that make him perfect.  Christ said to be perfect as god in heaven is.

Hebrews 13:8 is the "today, tomorrow, yesterday" verse.  It speaks of Jesus as being unchanging, but says nothing about His perfection.

However, Matthew 5:48 tells us to "be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect."  Is this telling us that we can achieve perfection, or merely that striving toward perfection facilitates our spiritual growth.  For that matter, what does it mean to be perfect?  And whose standard of perfection is being used here, God's or our's?

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:00 PM

If all your going to do is attack a church or god don't post on this thread.  No one is holding a gun to your head to post here.

Edited by danielost, 03 September 2013 - 02:02 PM.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the mormon faith. Thank for careing and if you don't peace be with you.

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:07 PM

View PostMacsMom, on 03 September 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

I don't know if God demanded stoning people to death but He did require blood sacrifices (one thing that I'll never quite understand).  That practice stopped when Jesus was crucified as He was the perfect sacrifice.

God, did, however, order the complete destruction of towns and peoples for whatever His reasonings were.  Men, women, children, and all animals.  Doesn't sound very compassionate and all forgiving to me.


The blood sacrifice was two fold. To remind the isrealites that god had saved them, and to represent christ's sacrifice.  After he died and rose from the dead it was no longer needed.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the mormon faith. Thank for careing and if you don't peace be with you.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:51 AM

You asked a question on a public forum, we replied.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:13 AM

So God is outside of time, immune to it's effects, and omniscient, does that mean there's no such thing as free will and we are just his evolved monkey playthings?

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