Archeologically, Mycenaean chariots, spearheads, daggers and other bronze objects show striking similarities with the Seima-Turbino culture (c. 1900-1600 BCE) of the northern Russian forest-steppes, known for the great mobility of its nomadic warriors (Seima-Turbino sites were found as far away as Mongolia). It is therefore likely that the Mycenaean descended from Russia to Greece between 1900 and 1650 BCE, where they intermingled with the locals to create a new unique Greek culture.
As I looked for info on this idea I found a forum entry with some pictures to compare Mycenaean to the Seimo-Turbino people.
Heracles taking on the labours is possibly the Mycenaean presence in action. Typical also is the Mycenaean standard of male warrior dominating class, chariots, bronze weapons and spirals.
I'd even go as far as saying they also once lived off the old Russian coast (Estonia/Poland) in the Baltic Sea to Gotland, at the mouth of the Vistula River.
Then it all seemed to fall into place, that they bought the Phaethon event memory into Greece from Estonia and Russia.
There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt.
The Phaethon event imo is the Kaali meteor impact in Estonia, which is not conclusively dated really.
Kaali is a group of 9 meteorite craters in the village of Kaali on the Estonian island of Saaremaa. Formed more than 4,000 years ago (the age of the sediments at the bottom of crater lake), and possibly as long as 7,600 years ago (estimates vary), it is a comparatively recent crater. It was created by an impact event and is possibly the only known major impact event that has occurred in a populated area
Eight smaller craters are also associated with this bombardment.
According to the theory of more recent impact, Estonia at the time of impact was in the Nordic Bronze Age and the site was forested with a small human population. The impact energy of about 80 TJ (20 kilotons of TNT) is comparable with that of the Hiroshima bomb blast. It incinerated forests within a 6 km radius
Scholars maintain that the event figured prominently in regional mythology. It was, and still is, considered a sacred lake. There is archaeological evidence that it may well have been a place of ritual sacrifice.
Finnish mythology has stories that may originate with the formation of Kaali. One of them is in runes 47, 48 and 49 of the Kalevala epic: Louhi, the evil wizard, steals the Sun and fire from people, causing total darkness. Ukko, the god of the sky, orders a new Sun to be made from a spark. The virgin of the air starts to make a new Sun, but the spark drops from the sky and hits the ground. ...................
According to a theory first proposed by Lennart Meri, it is possible that Saaremaa was the legendary Thule island, first mentioned by ancient Greek geographer Pytheas, whereas the name "Thule" could have been connected to the Finnic word tule ("(of) fire") and the folklore of Estonia, which depicts the birth of the crater lake in Kaali. Kaali was considered the place where "The sun went to rest."
This sounds a lot like a memory that has been distorted by the time it appeared in Greek myth but what other event could it be that was remembered as the Phaethon event, if it's an impact itself..?
The labyrinths and associated things on Gotland seem to me to have been transferred into Crete, when the warrior type Mycenaeans took over there. After investigating the R1b and R1a lines and their ways (ie; male dominated warrior class who boasted of heroes with big graves filled with material culture objects) it seems a given they were part of the spread of them into Greece. They bought IE in and that's why Linear B is IE. The Greeks (Pelasgians) changed their language to IE when they (the Myc.) arrived and took control.
The impact may have destabilised the earth and initiated the major earthquakes and eruption of Thera. These may have been recorded as the Titanomachy.
This will match up with my Trojans were from the Cucuteni culture thread eventually. Older European types from the Carpathian basin, who were taken over by the Mycenaeans and their language also. Seems now that the story of the fall of Troy is a fall of the old culture of Europe, taken over by a new warrior class from the North.
Anyone got an opinion?
Edited by The Puzzler, 04 September 2013 - 02:33 PM.