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#16    Frank Merton

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 01:41 AM

Electoral parties seem to be like athletic teams; fans chose one or another for some of the strangest reasons.


#17    Sir Wearer of Hats

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 01:58 AM

View PostBelial, on 08 September 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

The pushing of a faster broadband, aimed directly at the younger voters, not the small business people at all.
I loved the party at labour HQ the slug was like some european dictator coming home after a great win somewhere? WTF...
Abbottband isn't going to be faster, it's going to  be "faster to the hub" and then "slower to the home".

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:50 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 08 September 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

Abbottband isn't going to be faster, it's going to  be "faster to the hub" and then "slower to the home".

I get just shy of 26mb my computer runs like a sprinter very stable and i can't remember ever having any hanging issues.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 06:56 AM

" “While I think men and women are equal, they are also different and I think it's inevitable and I don't think it's a bad thing at all that we always have, say, more women doing things like physiotherapy and an enormous number of women simply doing housework."
~ Tony Abbot, 2010.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 07:26 AM

Tony Abbot, born in Britain, educated at Oxford, I say old chap,lets get the show started haw haw.I feel sorry for all you nice Australian people as we have a similar problem as they have fantasies about saving the world,and that costs money which will come out of the ordinary guys pockets.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 08:04 AM

maybe he'll be one for Mr. O's Coalition of Vengeance? has Warrior in Chief Kerry asked him if he might be willing to help?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:06 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 08 September 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

maybe he'll be one for Mr. O's Coalition of Vengeance? has Warrior in Chief Kerry asked him if he might be willing to help?

Well, it is said that, when he was starting in politics as a youngster, one of his role models was Benito Mussolini.  So, to answer your question I would say YES.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:17 PM

View PostBlack Red Devil, on 08 September 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Well, it is said that, when he was starting in politics as a youngster, one of his role models was Benito Mussolini.  So, to answer your question I would say YES.
I suppose that means he'll come in when he thinks it's all over, then.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 09:45 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 06 September 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

There is a smorgasboard of parties to choose from this election season,  here ya go:

Animal Justice Party
Australia First Party (NSW) Incorporated
  • Australian Christians
    Australian Democrats
    Australian First Nations Political Party
    Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
    Australian Greens (including three additional branches listed below)
    The Greens NSW
    Queensland Greens
    The Greens (WA) Inc
    Australian Independents
    Australian Labor Party (ALP) (including nine additional branches listed below)
    Australian Labor Party (N.S.W. Branch)
    Australian Labor Party (Victorian Branch)
    Australian Labor Party (State of Queensland)
    Australian Labor Party (Western Australian Branch)
    Australian Labor Party (South Australian Branch)
    Australian Labor Party (Tasmanian Branch)
    Australian Labor Party (ACT Branch)
    Australian Labor Party (Northern Territory) Branch
    Country Labor Party
    Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party
    Australian Protectionist Party
    Australian Sex Party
    Australian Sovereignty Party
    Australian Sports Party
    Australian Stable Population Party
    Australian Voice Party
    Bank Reform Party
    Building Australia Party
    Bullet Train For Australia
    Carers Alliance
    Christian Democratic Party (Fred Nile Group)
    Citizens Electoral Council of Australia
    Coke in the Bubblers Party
    Country Alliance
    Country Liberals (Northern Territory)
    Democratic Labour Party (DLP)
    Drug Law Reform Party
    Family First Party
    Future Party
    Help End Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) Party
    Katter’s Australian Party
    Liberal Democratic Party
    Liberal Party of Australia (including seven additional branches listed below)
    Liberal Party of Australia, NSW Division
    Liberal Party of Australia (Victorian Division)
    Liberal National Party of Queensland
    Liberal Party (W.A. Division) Inc.
    Liberal Party of Australia (S.A. Division)
    Liberal Party of Australia – Tasmanian Division
    Liberal Party of Australia – ACT Division
    National Party of Australia (including four additional branches listed below)
    National Party of Australia – N.S.W.
    National Party of Australia – Victoria
    National Party of Australia (WA) Inc
    National Party of Australia (S.A.) Inc.
    Nick Xenophon Group
    No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
    Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)
    One Nation
    Outdoor Recreation Party (Stop The Greens)
    Palmer United Party
    Pirate Party Australia
    Republican Party of Australia
    Rise Up Australia Party
    Secular Party of Australia
    Senator Online (Internet Voting Bills/Issues)
    Shooters and Fishers Party
    Smokers Rights Party
    Socialist Alliance
    Socialist Equality Party
    Stop CSG Party
    The 23 Million
    The Wikileaks Party
    Uniting Australia Party
    Voluntary Euthanasia Party
Oh and for some real entertainment at the polling booths - or just to annoy the volunteer counters and everyone in the queue waiting for your place in the voting booth.

Do be sure to mark you ballot paper from 1 to 70 consecutively in order of your preference, rather than just placing a 1 on your fave pick as most folk do.

If you make a mistake in your counting, do ask for a replacement ballot paper and why you need it - the expression on their face is such a joy :P  (and gets even more entertaining if you repeat this a couple of times).
vote libertarian.. vote for freedom



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:18 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 07 September 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

overheard at my polling booth directed at the LNP drone - "I wouldn't vote for you lot if the only other option was bing shot in the face".
Now THAT is dedication!  :w00t:

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:11 AM

I don't see this "Libertarian" business, either in the States or in Australia or anywhere else. It makes a fetish of freedom, something I think comes from the propaganda of liberty Americans are fed all their lives ("The land of the Free").   Freedom is a good thing to have, but there are other important things where freedom gets in the way, such as running a government and collecting taxes and controlling monopolies and persecuting thieves.  I doubt there is any country on the planet that doesn't use taking away freedom as a deterrent of crime.

Once we concede, as, if we are rational, we must, that no freedom is without exceptions, cannot not we also recognize that a number of social and economic needs trump freedoms, such as the fact that we cannot be allowed the freedom to enslave others.

How is it to be decided when to limit freedom and when not to?  All else being equal, should freedom always prevail -- should the state or the community or the family limit freedom only when there is an overarching need to do so -- a genuine need, not just a preference., or are there other values, such as fairness, prosperity, happiness, public health and safety, and so on, that are sometimes more important than freedom.

In short, I would argue that the standard objection to regulation, that it impinges on freedom, is insufficient.  You also need to show that what the regulation does is not otherwise needed for an equally or even more worthy objective. So also the standard objection to anti-discrimination regulation, the standard objection to public policy trumping private contract, and many other areas.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:21 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 September 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:

I don't see this "Libertarian" business, either in the States or in Australia or anywhere else. It makes a fetish of freedom, something I think comes from the propaganda of liberty Americans are fed all their lives ("The land of the Free").   Freedom is a good thing to have, but there are other important things where freedom gets in the way, such as running a government and collecting taxes and controlling monopolies and persecuting thieves.  I doubt there is any country on the planet that doesn't use taking away freedom as a deterrent of crime.

Once we concede, as, if we are rational, we must, that no freedom is without exceptions, cannot not we also recognize that a number of social and economic needs trump freedoms, such as the fact that we cannot be allowed the freedom to enslave others.

How is it to be decided when to limit freedom and when not to?  All else being equal, should freedom always prevail -- should the state or the community or the family limit freedom only when there is an overarching need to do so -- a genuine need, not just a preference., or are there other values, such as fairness, prosperity, happiness, public health and safety, and so on, that are sometimes more important than freedom.

In short, I would argue that the standard objection to regulation, that it impinges on freedom, is insufficient.  You also need to show that what the regulation does is not otherwise needed for an equally or even more worthy objective. So also the standard objection to anti-discrimination regulation, the standard objection to public policy trumping private contract, and many other areas.

From what I can understand from the members here, Libertarianism seems to be about valuing the wishes of the individual over the needs of the society. Sounds rather psychopathic to me.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:06 PM

Well, I see he's making great strides already establishing his image as a modern and forward-looking Leader. -->
Oh, sorry, sexist. I thought it said sexiest. :cry:

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- Philip K. Dick.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:28 PM

So he's appointed a bully to be the speaker and another bully to be Foreign Minister (case in point - "we have our plans and we don't need Indonesia's approval for them" yes you bloody well do if it involves towing boats back to Indonesia or bribing Indonesian citizens to report people smugglers!).

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When the fear is gone, there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:35 PM

View PostArbenol68, on 09 September 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

From what I can understand from the members here, Libertarianism seems to be about valuing the wishes of the individual over the needs of the society. Sounds rather psychopathic to me.

The greatest democracies protect the individual against the majority.



If you dont want to watch the video, the main points are:


1) Majority belief in something does not necessarily mean that it's true.
2) Majorities are capable of being just as tyrannical as kings
3) Historically, democracies have elected tyrannical leaders.





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