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#31    docyabut2

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:27 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 06 September 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

If the US is allowed to do what it wants, why also can't Russia?

What makes the US so special it must be the only nation allowed to "get it's way"?

  Chemical weapons are a threat to the world, so should `nt something be done?


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:30 AM

The BBC are now just reporting the alleged comment came from "an aide".

I would not be surprised if the comment, or something very similar, was not made in a private conversation, but I would also not be surprised if any comment was "sexed up" by the UK representatives at the conference in an attempt to alienate Russia as "simply being obstructive".

Our (the UK) govt does have form for "sexing up" documents, comments and such to gain political advantage.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:31 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 06 September 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

  Chemical weapons are a threat to the world, so should `nt something be done?

History has shown the US to be no less of a threat regarding WMD's than any other nation. If the US wants to show the world the way, then lead on and get rid of your WMD's. Anything else is merely hypocrisy.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:33 AM

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A comment made on the OP article...


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Oh look! emotional stories to elicit a response from the public so that we despise Russia and believe none of Russia's legitimate claims that the Syrian rebels committed the chemical attack.

Stay tuned for more propaganda and villainous stories about Russia and putin!


sounds about right to me....




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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:04 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 06 September 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

History has shown the US to be no less of a threat regarding WMD's than any other nation. If the US wants to show the world the way, then lead on and get rid of your WMD's. Anything else is merely hypocrisy.
I am sure they will be the first to tell you that if they get rid of their own WMDs they will have have diminished their military capacity to combat other nations which have WMDs :whistle:

Edited by libstaK, 06 September 2013 - 04:04 PM.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:23 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 06 September 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

I am sure they will be the first to tell you that if they get rid of their own WMDs they will have have diminished their military capacity to combat other nations which have WMDs :whistle:
And if the US were to suddenly elect leaders who did this, would all the world's Assads and Jung Uns and such suddenly start singing Kumbaya?  These weapons in Syria - no matter who employed them - were there to be used because they were wanted by the Syrian/Russian allies as a counterweight against the US and Israel and even his other neighbors in the region.  Nations build nasty things to defend themselves when other nations build nasty things to defend themselves -ad infinitum, ad nauseum.   America may be the best recent example but it hardly is the only one.  My nation isn't any more corrupt than others - we're just a target because of our wealth and influence.  I submit that Britain was no better in it's day nor will China or Europe be when their star rises.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:35 PM

View Postand then, on 06 September 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

And if the US were to suddenly elect leaders who did this, would all the world's Assads and Jung Uns and such suddenly start singing Kumbaya?

Many of the world's Assad's and Jung Un's have acquired their WMD's (or the technology to develop them) from the US in the first place.

And the US getting rid of it's WMD's would have no detrimental effect on the security of that nation. It maintains that security through having a large, well-equipped conventional military and via economic and political power - not via the threat of WMD's.

Edited by Leonardo, 06 September 2013 - 04:36 PM.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:39 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 06 September 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Many of the world's Assad's and Jung Un's have acquired their WMD's (or the technology to develop them) from the US in the first place.

Not true, and posting things that are untrue ruins your credibility.  If you want to persuade people like me stick to reality, not fantasy or conspiracy theories.


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:39 PM

IMHO, the leaders of this world are bullies and idiots.  God help us all.


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:46 PM

View Postmoonshadow60, on 06 September 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

IMHO, the leaders of this world are bullies and idiots.  God help us all.
Maybe they are what they are because we are what we are.


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:58 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 06 September 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Not true, and posting things that are untrue ruins your credibility.  If you want to persuade people like me stick to reality, not fantasy or conspiracy theories.

Really?

The US has collaborated with "Western Allies" in much of it's WMD research. It also shared research with (and sold wmd material to) 'strategic allies' such as Iraq (i.e. Saddam Hussein) during the Iraq/Iran War. This is not to say that Russia and China (and other nations) have not also been proliferators of WMD's, but excusing the US simply on the basis of it's vocal support for WMD non-proliferation conventions is to display naivete.

Additionally, the US supports Israel's military production, and some of that production is towards delivery systems for wmd's which Israel sells to China, which resells on to other nations. In various UN conventions against WMD proliferation, the delivery systems are treated the same as the precursor agents they are intended to deliver.

So, perhaps your 'reality' is actually more fantasy than you realised?

Edited by Leonardo, 06 September 2013 - 05:01 PM.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:03 PM

Putin and russia .. have lost it all in syria
and when their dictator ally is gone
they will never set foot in our country .. it's the end of this abusive relationship :D

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:08 PM

OK, I have a question here.

To preface before my question, I assume that Russia, being a long-time ally of Syria, has significant intelligence resources regarding this event.

So, why hasn't Russia disclosed evidence of what THEY know, in a manner suitable for UN review.


PS. My laptop keyboard is getting funky, and my "Question Mark" key no longer works.

EDIT: I just played with my "on-screen" keyboard, and my  ? now works in that scenario, but not the physical keyboard ?. Oh well, at least I have a temp work-around.

Edited by pallidin, 06 September 2013 - 05:38 PM.


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:10 PM

just correction .. russia is not " ally of syria "
russia is " ally of syrian dictatorship government "

we syrians certinally don't consider russia ally
we consider russia an enemy

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:33 PM

OK, I do get your point. Thanks.





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