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Neurosurgeon Speaks On How Vaccines Harm


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#151    stereologist

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:55 PM

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Take your pick. This is just one of several pages. They must all be hoax sites right?
The first link makes many unsubstantiated claims based on an OLD application from Merck. The issue is not whether an idea was considered, rather what is actually used. That mention of Merck is about something not in vaccines today.

Link 1 contains nothing but a mention of Merck application from 1964. There is nothing there about whether or not it is used in vaccines today. That is OLD.

Link 2 is about a study dated 1975.  That is OLD. It tests whether the adjuvant is effective.

Link 3 is a discussion by people guessing.

Link 4 more guessing.

Link 5 same as link 2.

Link 6 same as link 1. Nothing but old info about its actual usage in vaccines.

Link 7 not worth examining since it is a well known hoax site.

Nothing listed shows anywhere that peanut oil is used in vaccines today. In fact, is there anything there that shows peanut oil is used in vaccines at all? There is evidence that the peanut oil was considered as an adjuvant and that it appeared to be effective. But was it distributed? Certainly not listed in today's vaccines.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:58 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 30 September 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

What would be so bad about waiting till they were say 12 years old? Heck what would be so bad about removing the several harmful toxic chemicals and metals?

You claim there are several harmful toxic chemicals and metals.

Please name them and demonstrate that they are indeed toxic and harmful. We are expecting something substantial such as actual studies from peer reviewed sources and not the off the cuff comments from someone with a degree, or even worse guesswork from the uninformed.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 12:20 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 30 September 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

What would be so bad about waiting till they were say 12 years old?
Perhaps because a common form of transmission for Hep B is perinatal infection - that is, around the time of birth. And, according to Wikipedia, "HBV can be transmitted between family members within households, possibly by contact of nonintact skin or mucous membrane with secretions or saliva containing HBV..." I kiss my kids; I'd be horrified if I had the disease without knowing it and passed it on that way.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:29 PM

"The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective" ---Dr. Len Horowitz

"THE ONLY WHOLLY SAFE VACCINE IS THE VACCINE THAT IS NEVER USED." (Dr J. Shannon of the National Institute of Health, U.S.A., June 23 1955.)


http://www.whale.to/...ines/safer.html

I'm not stating that every vaccine is unsafe, though I'm not  stating vaccines are safe either when studies prove they are not . However,  I found this information in the above link very, very, very  interesting. It's a must read.

Edited by Reann, 08 October 2013 - 12:44 PM.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:24 PM

View PostReann, on 08 October 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

"The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective" ---Dr. Len Horowitz

"THE ONLY WHOLLY SAFE VACCINE IS THE VACCINE THAT IS NEVER USED." (Dr J. Shannon of the National Institute of Health, U.S.A., June 23 1955.)

http://www.whale.to/...ines/safer.html

I'm not stating that every vaccine is unsafe, though I'm not  stating vaccines are safe either when studies prove they are not . However,  I found this information in the above link very, very, very  interesting. It's a must read.

The article begins with a misrepresentation of Dr Shannon. When Shannon is quotes as stating "THE ONLY WHOLLY SAFE VACCINE IS THE VACCINE THAT IS NEVER USED.", Shannon is stating that in all medicines there is risk. Organic peanuts kill people just as other peanuts do. People are all very different and their reaction to medicines is all very different. Even penicillin can be fatal to some people. That drug has saved  countless lives since its introduction.

It is likely to be impossible to make something 100% safe. Humans, primates in general, are so widely ranging that making something 100% safe is incredibly difficult.

The article also makes false statements.

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Although many parents report that vaccines have caused or are associated with autism, no research sponsor has launched a major investigation of the children who are alleged to have developed autism from vaccines.

I'm sure that the person would pull out the excuse that they said major and they mean whatever.  The problem here is that the person is probably relying on testimonials being in some way correct.

A lot of the write up is about the effect of the hype by anti-vaxers

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report that 77% of US. parents surveyed have at least one concern about vaccine safety

This hype has led to a resurgence of diseases once considered under control. That is what that statement is all about. I tried to find the original article because I could smell a misrepresentation here but I could not.

Then comes this claim from Andrew Wakefield a disgraced doctor that lost his license. Any idea what this scoundrel did? He faked his data in TWO papers. He collected blood samples from children who visited his house WITHOUT the permission of the parents. He faked his data to get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by lawyers suing about vaccinations.

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The two of the three vaccine brands that were introduced in 1988 had to be withdrawn for safety reasons

Then it is back to a guy who sells an untested product to people because he claims it is a brain-fixer-upper. It's an unregulated product he claims makes changes to your brain. That sounds like something people should be taking - NOT.

It's about that point in time I saw nothing in the linked to web page that was worth reading.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:27 PM

Here is a must read.

http://www.who.int/m...heets/fs286/en/

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In 2011, there were 158 000 measles deaths globally – about 430 deaths every day or 18 deaths every hour.

This is the threat being addressed by vaccines. The death rate used to be much higher, but fortunately we have vaccines today.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:32 PM

View PostPeter B, on 02 October 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Perhaps because a common form of transmission for Hep B is perinatal infection - that is, around the time of birth. And, according to Wikipedia, "HBV can be transmitted between family members within households, possibly by contact of nonintact skin or mucous membrane with secretions or saliva containing HBV..." I kiss my kids; I'd be horrified if I had the disease without knowing it and passed it on that way.
I've had HBV in its chronic form all my life, as have had many Vietnamese.  Now that there is a vaccine the world has changed so much for the better for our children, who won't have the shadow of liver failure and liver cancer over their heads the way it has been over my generation (I hate to think of the people I know who have died that way).


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:03 PM

Information is everywhere, so is information withheld .Whatever or however you choose to believe is whatever you choose to believe.

Though , there are Dr's , there are Neurologist , that I respect ,and value the minds and  work of in their expertise  in the field of medicine.
What they say is so much more  superior to  opinions of some here who disregard   the possible  dangerous  of vaccines, and the effects which vaccines has left on many people . I will not simply  disregard these brilliant Dr's  as though they know nothing or that everything they have stated is meaningless. I consider vaccines as something , profitable to some, harmful even deadly to others, while life saving and, or, the thought in the minds of everyone  of it  being needed, even if it's not safe....

Edited by Reann, 08 October 2013 - 02:34 PM.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:11 PM

View PostReann, on 08 October 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Information is everywhere, so is information withheld .Whatever or however you choose to believe is whatever you choose to believe.

Quite true. Some people will blindly choose to accept the word of a person like Wakefield that lost his license in part due to perforating the intestines of a child while performing an operation deemed unnecessary. Others will accept a misrepresentation of an article. Others will fall for demagoguery disguised as references to scientific articles which are being quote mined to misrepresent the contents.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:12 PM

View Poststereologist, on 08 October 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Quite true. Some people will blindly choose to accept the word of a person like Wakefield that lost his license in part due to perforating the intestines of a child while performing an operation deemed unnecessary. Others will accept a misrepresentation of an article. Others will fall for demagoguery disguised as references to scientific articles which are being quote mined to misrepresent the contents.
rubbish, wakefield performed no surgery for the research you admonish, he wrote up the research. no ones intestines were perforated.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:44 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 08 October 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

rubbish, wakefield performed no surgery for the research you admonish, he wrote up the research. no ones intestines were perforated.

Are we both wrong? I was wrong because it was not a colonoscopy puncture, it was a colonoscopy and lumbar puncture that he subjected children to. I admit having incorrectly recalled the unnecessary invasive procedures.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC1925209/

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The accusation was made in the GMC's case involving three doctors who collaborated on a 1998 Lancet paper on developmental disorders in children. Dr Wakefield, John Walker-Smith, and Simon Murch are accused of ignoring limitations placed on them by the research ethics committee of the Royal Free Hampstead NHS Trust and subjecting children to procedures that were not clinically indicated, including lumbar punctures, barium meals, general anaesthesia, and colonoscopy.

http://www.theguardi...d-man-mmr-panic

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An investigation by journalist Brian Deer found that Wakefield had been paid £435,000 to advise lawyers for parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR and that he'd given children at his son's birthday party cash in return for blood samples for his research. A subsequent two-and-a-half-year General Medical Council (GMC) hearing concluded in January 2010 that Wakefield was guilty of serious professional misconduct, and that he had acted "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his research. He had, the panel concluded, subjected 11 children to unwarranted invasive tests such as lumbar punctures and colonoscopies without necessary ethical approval.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:04 PM

View Poststereologist, on 08 October 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Are we both wrong?
no, just you.

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I was wrong because it was not a colonoscopy puncture, it was a colonoscopy and lumbar puncture that he subjected children to. I admit having incorrectly recalled the unnecessary invasive procedures.
lumbar punctures were not unnecessary, they were clinically warranted.
http://www.unexplain...70#entry3758417

http://www.unexplain...40#entry3751027


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:25 PM

I have severe neurological problems which started directly after receiving the standard cocktail of US military vaccinations.

Perhaps it was coincidence. Within days of receiving the vaccinations I became sick with flu like symptoms, most of the guys I was with did too. When the job ended and I headed home the flu got worse, eventually becoming the worst flu of my life.Seriously never been that sick before, it lasted for months.

A few months afterwards I woke up one morning with my hands in agony and unusable, by weeks end the same had spread throughout my body.
I spent 4 years chasing doctors and specialists ending with diagnosis' of seronegative rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia and MS although none of those diagnosis are quantifiable (in me) through testing beyond moderate to severe neuropathy.

I can't say 100% that the vaccinations are what made me sick. I can say with 100% certainty that the medications given to me made me much more sick.

5 years later I have learned that the medical establishment will poison you given the chance, seriously read the side effects of every medication you take closely, I have eliminated 7 different prescribed medications through the use of natural marijuana. I don't even take ibuprofen anymore.

For my children they receive the important ones but no flu shots or HPV or whatever the vaccine of the week is.

I don't suffer from insanity, I rather enjoy it

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 06:48 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 08 October 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

no, just you.


lumbar punctures were not unnecessary, they were clinically warranted.
http://www.unexplain...70#entry3758417

http://www.unexplain...40#entry3751027

No the lumbar punctures were one of the reasons that the fraud Wakefield lost his license.  Sorry you are wrong again as you were before.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:04 PM

View Poststereologist, on 08 October 2013 - 01:27 PM, said:

Here is a must read.

http://www.who.int/m...heets/fs286/en/



This is the threat being addressed by vaccines. The death rate used to be much higher, but fortunately we have vaccines today.
There's no point trying to argue rationally with attitudes like those displayed here.
It's the "a tiny fraction of a percent might possibly have some adverse effect, so therefore I don't believe that any should be used, despite the fact that it can be very easily proven that not having them can have much more serious consequences in very many more cases" attitude of mind, one which twists logic inside out.

Edited by Colonel Rhuairidh, 08 October 2013 - 07:04 PM.

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