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#166    stereologist

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:32 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 08 October 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

There's no point trying to argue rationally with attitudes like those displayed here.
It's the "a tiny fraction of a percent might possibly have some adverse effect, so therefore I don't believe that any should be used, despite the fact that it can be very easily proven that not having them can have much more serious consequences in very many more cases" attitude of mind, one which twists logic inside out.

I quite agree. The risk of death from automobiles is far greater than the risk of injury from vaccines. Should we ban all cars/ More people die each month from house fires than in a decade from vaccines. Should we ban all houses? More people die each year from peanut butter than from vaccines. Should we ban peanut butter? Should we ban electricity?

Part of the problem is that vaccines have been so incredibly effective in removing the scourge of the diseases. Without the ever present danger people soon forget what they are defending against.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:37 PM

i tend to read a lot of books, fiction and non-fiction, involving the 19th century in the united states. the rate of child mortality is staggering, and the expectation that people had was that a few of their children would die before maturity is just... depressing. it was a fact of life.

and a large number of those deaths were from diseases that we can now prevent with vaccines.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:02 AM

View PostReann, on 08 October 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Though , there are Dr's , there are Neurologist , that I respect ,and value the minds and  work of in their expertise  in the field of medicine.
What they say is so much more  superior to  opinions of some here who disregard   the possible  dangerous  of vaccines, and the effects which vaccines has left on many people . I will not simply  disregard these brilliant Dr's  as though they know nothing or that everything they have stated is meaningless. I consider vaccines as something , profitable to some, harmful even deadly to others, while life saving and, or, the thought in the minds of everyone  of it  being needed, even if it's not safe....
Smallpox killed about 300 million people in the 20th century, but has now been eradicated. What do the doctors and neeurologist you respect say about the smallpox vaccine?


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:58 PM

Yeah, and the black plague wiped out one third of Europe's population though even without a supposed vaccine the plague diminished. I do believe that cleanliness is the main alternative to all our problems we face as a people.The manner in which we live our lives matters most of all.
I can share with you stories of people i have met that have been effective in the most harmful way, even lost friends and love ones because of the trust they once placed themselves to and or those who have placed their children's well being to those  who inoculated them  with vaccines . Though i truly have no desire to go into detail because some people just are in denial of related issues concerning vaccines, I'm pretty much done with this topic.



* P.S I do stand firm in inoculating those who travel and come into other countries from outside places, especially those traveling to and from locations overseas  that have health issues due to unclean living condition's ect... I also stand firm  against anyone coming into anyone country illegally and not having proper standards of testing for disease which they may carry in with them. I think that in itself is a problem as opposed to avoiding it by just having everyone inoculated that live a healthy clean lifestyle.

Good luck to all of you in whatever your endeavors may be...

Edited by Reann, 09 October 2013 - 02:00 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:44 PM

View PostReann, on 09 October 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Yeah, and the black plague wiped out one third of Europe's population though even without a supposed vaccine the plague diminished.
www? It'd be worth allowing 60% of the population of any given country to be killed by something because the remainder would develope immunity eventually, and that would be preferable to immunisation, because a fraction of one percent might possibly have an adverse reaction to it? This is the Lewis Carroll school of logic.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:55 PM

View PostReann, on 09 October 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Yeah, and the black plague wiped out one third of Europe's population though even without a supposed vaccine the plague diminished. I do believe that cleanliness is the main alternative to all our problems we face as a people.The manner in which we live our lives matters most of all.
I can share with you stories of people i have met that have been effective in the most harmful way, even lost friends and love ones because of the trust they once placed themselves to and or those who have placed their children's well being to those  who inoculated them  with vaccines . Though i truly have no desire to go into detail because some people just are in denial of related issues concerning vaccines, I'm pretty much done with this topic.



* P.S I do stand firm in inoculating those who travel and come into other countries from outside places, especially those traveling to and from locations overseas  that have health issues due to unclean living condition's ect... I also stand firm  against anyone coming into anyone country illegally and not having proper standards of testing for disease which they may carry in with them. I think that in itself is a problem as opposed to avoiding it by just having everyone inoculated that live a healthy clean lifestyle.

Good luck to all of you in whatever your endeavors may be...

The plague came to Europe once about every two-five years throughout history until sanitation improved.  A bacteria like this that is spread by rats can be cleaned away.  There are many viruses and bacteria that have nothing to do with sanitation, obviously because they are still very prevalent.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:04 PM

View PostPeter B, on 02 October 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Perhaps because a common form of transmission for Hep B is perinatal infection - that is, around the time of birth. And, according to Wikipedia, "HBV can be transmitted between family members within households, possibly by contact of nonintact skin or mucous membrane with secretions or saliva containing HBV..." I kiss my kids; I'd be horrified if I had the disease without knowing it and passed it on that way.

Most people who develop chronic HepB infections are infected before the age of 5 because after 5 most healthy people with a healthy immune system clear the infection before it becomes chronic.  So, giving HepB at 12 would be worthless.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:06 PM

View Poststereologist, on 08 October 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

The article begins with a misrepresentation of Dr Shannon. When Shannon is quotes as stating "THE ONLY WHOLLY SAFE VACCINE IS THE VACCINE THAT IS NEVER USED.", Shannon is stating that in all medicines there is risk. Organic peanuts kill people just as other peanuts do. People are all very different and their reaction to medicines is all very different. Even penicillin can be fatal to some people. That drug has saved  countless lives since its introduction.

It is likely to be impossible to make something 100% safe. Humans, primates in general, are so widely ranging that making something 100% safe is incredibly difficult.

The article also makes false statements.


I'm sure that the person would pull out the excuse that they said major and they mean whatever.  The problem here is that the person is probably relying on testimonials being in some way correct.

A lot of the write up is about the effect of the hype by anti-vaxers


This hype has led to a resurgence of diseases once considered under control. That is what that statement is all about. I tried to find the original article because I could smell a misrepresentation here but I could not.

Then comes this claim from Andrew Wakefield a disgraced doctor that lost his license. Any idea what this scoundrel did? He faked his data in TWO papers. He collected blood samples from children who visited his house WITHOUT the permission of the parents. He faked his data to get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by lawyers suing about vaccinations.


Then it is back to a guy who sells an untested product to people because he claims it is a brain-fixer-upper. It's an unregulated product he claims makes changes to your brain. That sounds like something people should be taking - NOT.

It's about that point in time I saw nothing in the linked to web page that was worth reading.

Not to mention that anything that works has side effects by definition.  If something has no side effects it has no physiological effects either.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:14 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 30 September 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

peanut oil is used as an adjuvant in vaccines (adjuvant 65-4)
what this will do after injecting it is make your immune system react to any future exposure to peanuts - the vaccine will train your body that peanuts are harmful and need to be attacked by your immune system causing death by eating peanuts.
also they develop vaccines with insect proteins and other things such as eggs.
egg allergies are becoming more common, particular to the egg white protein albumin which also exists in confectionary. death by chocolate has a new meaning.

Peanut oil has been tested as an adjuvant and recently someone created a peanut oil adjuvant without the protein that causes allergies, but peanut oil has never been actually used in a commercial vaccine.  Egg allergies are actually not becoming more common and the incidence has actually decreased over the past 5 years (incidence = new cases).  They used eggs because they are easy to control and grow most human viruses.  It has only been in the last few years that they figured out how to successfully grow influenza in human cell cultures.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:54 PM

View PostReann, on 09 October 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Yeah, and the black plague wiped out one third of Europe's population though even without a supposed vaccine the plague diminished. I do believe that cleanliness is the main alternative to all our problems we face as a people.The manner in which we live our lives matters most of all.
I can share with you stories of people i have met that have been effective in the most harmful way, even lost friends and love ones because of the trust they once placed themselves to and or those who have placed their children's well being to those  who inoculated them  with vaccines . Though i truly have no desire to go into detail because some people just are in denial of related issues concerning vaccines, I'm pretty much done with this topic.



* P.S I do stand firm in inoculating those who travel and come into other countries from outside places, especially those traveling to and from locations overseas  that have health issues due to unclean living condition's ect... I also stand firm  against anyone coming into anyone country illegally and not having proper standards of testing for disease which they may carry in with them. I think that in itself is a problem as opposed to avoiding it by just having everyone inoculated that live a healthy clean lifestyle.

Good luck to all of you in whatever your endeavors may be...

Diseases do not kill everyone. It runs its course. Think of a forest fire. Some trees stand and most die. The fire is sporadic. The disease runs its course and leaves patches of people here and there. Was it cleanliness as you suggest that saved some places or was it that the vector did not travel to the unaffected places?

Testimonials do not make for a case. That involves guesswork. I have friends that are quietly against vaccinations. Their kids were vaccinated because the schools, both private and public, would not let them attend. During that time they were very frustrated and everything that was a bit off they blamed on the vaccinations and not the stomach upset going around school, or the the colds kids get, or the normal rough and tumble of kids playing. Once they were fixated on vaccines I even thought they were ready to blame a speeding ticket on the vaccines. But that is what happens when people get fixated on an issue and cannot deal with it in a rational manner.

Cleanliness is not the answer. Put two kids in a room and one has whooping cough guess what, the other has an extremely high chance of getting the disease regardless of how clean the places are the two came from and how clean the room is.

It sounds to me like you'd like to set out quarantine barriers around us. Maybe we should have people wait 4 weeks under observation before we let them into the country. We'll build a giant wall around us with hotel rooms in it to act a a quarantine barrier.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:44 PM

View PostReann, on 09 October 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Yeah, and the black plague wiped out one third of Europe's population though even without a supposed vaccine the plague diminished. I do believe that cleanliness is the main alternative to all our problems we face as a people.The manner in which we live our lives matters most of all.
I can share with you stories of people i have met that have been effective in the most harmful way, even lost friends and love ones because of the trust they once placed themselves to and or those who have placed their children's well being to those  who inoculated them  with vaccines . Though i truly have no desire to go into detail because some people just are in denial of related issues concerning vaccines, I'm pretty much done with this topic.



* P.S I do stand firm in inoculating those who travel and come into other countries from outside places, especially those traveling to and from locations overseas  that have health issues due to unclean living condition's ect... I also stand firm  against anyone coming into anyone country illegally and not having proper standards of testing for disease which they may carry in with them. I think that in itself is a problem as opposed to avoiding it by just having everyone inoculated that live a healthy clean lifestyle.
There's no doubt that improving sanitation would greatly help with the survival of many people. Improving sanitation and access to clean water is a worthwhile goal. But the problem with tying all diseases to sanitation is that not all diseases are transmitted in unsanitary conditions. Also, there's the issue that smallpox was wiped out back in the 1970s when sanitary conditions were on average not as good as now, and measles still kills more than 100,000 people a year 40 years later.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:15 PM

I'm a fan of selective vaccination. Which is what I did with my daughter. She had her first pertussis vaccination last year at age 25. Why? Because there was an outbreak of Whooping Cough in our state and a couple of people at her office got Whooping Cough (all of who had been vaccinated.. curious). So to date, she's had vaccinations for Diphtheria, and Typhoid and Hepatitis (because she traveled to a location where the last two were prevalent. She got those vax's when she was 15yo), and now Pertussis. She's trying to decide, with her doctor, a communicable disease specialist, if she should have an MMR vaccination this winter. So far, they're holding back.

But word of warning, I don't suggest ANYONE make up their own plan for selective vaccination... it should be done with the help of a specialist. The pediatrician or general practice doctor isn't a specialist and they really aren't the people to see if this is a route you want to take. Look in the phone book under "Travel Medicine doctors" or Communicable Disease Specialists. These guys are terribly good at what they do, and a number of them are more than willing to work with you on selectiveness and will support the effort.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:09 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 10 October 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

I'm a fan of selective vaccination. Which is what I did with my daughter. She had her first pertussis vaccination last year at age 25. Why? Because there was an outbreak of Whooping Cough in our state and a couple of people at her office got Whooping Cough (all of who had been vaccinated.. curious). So to date, she's had vaccinations for Diphtheria, and Typhoid and Hepatitis (because she traveled to a location where the last two were prevalent. She got those vax's when she was 15yo), and now Pertussis. She's trying to decide, with her doctor, a communicable disease specialist, if she should have an MMR vaccination this winter. So far, they're holding back.

But word of warning, I don't suggest ANYONE make up their own plan for selective vaccination... it should be done with the help of a specialist. The pediatrician or general practice doctor isn't a specialist and they really aren't the people to see if this is a route you want to take. Look in the phone book under "Travel Medicine doctors" or Communicable Disease Specialists. These guys are terribly good at what they do, and a number of them are more than willing to work with you on selectiveness and will support the effort.
The selective vaccination method only works in situations in which the disease is not prevalent, correct? The disease is not in area due to the disease not being there naturally or it has been eradicated by man through vaccinations. Also, the selective vaccination only works if you are not part of an outbreak. You could be stricken early on before people realize that the lack of vaccinations has permitted the disease to reappear. That is the risk you are taking. It is important to mention that some diseases are much worse in an adult than in a child. So you need to hedge against that risk as well. I do agree with you that when making health decisions such as this you want to get the very best information possible.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:05 PM

I would rather die from flu then from vaccines.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:30 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 10 October 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

I would rather die from flu then from vaccines.

Interesting.....


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