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107 Yr Old Man Killed By SWAT Team


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#1    susieice

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 03:04 AM

I wonder what could have brought this on. FOX news says he displayed a gun to 2 people at the home. CNN did not give an explanation. He just wouldn't stop shooting.

http://www.foxnews.c...test=latestnews
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Edited by susieice, 09 September 2013 - 03:05 AM.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 12:08 PM

I wonder if it will eventually come to light that he was a veteran, and in his mind thought the swat team were Japanese or nazis. I find it impossible that this situation could not have been resolved without killing him when he was holed up in his bedroom, and could not have harmed other people. Swat guys must be really proud of themselves, almost as good as shooting kids I guess.

Edited by Kaa-Tzik, 09 September 2013 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:38 PM

The SWAT members will be given a hearty pat on the back for a job well done while everyone else is left to pick up the shattered pieces.

Same as always....sad.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:17 PM

Well in defense of the swattys

he WAS shooting, its not an ideal situation, but that old guy dying is better than an errant bullet hurting or killing a bystander or more

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 05:09 AM

Just an update. This apparently upset a lot of people. The 2 people who were in the house at the time said they were there to help the man move and he was upset although he had seemed happy about it before this happened. I think dementia could have had something to do with this considering the man's age. Doesn't really say where they were moving him to.
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Edited by susieice, 15 September 2013 - 05:11 AM.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 08:44 AM

View PostKaa-Tzik, on 09 September 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

I wonder if it will eventually come to light that he was a veteran, and in his mind thought the swat team were Japanese or nazis. I find it impossible that this situation could not have been resolved without killing him when he was holed up in his bedroom, and could not have harmed other people. Swat guys must be really proud of themselves, almost as good as shooting kids I guess.
Yeah, he was just threatening people with guns, it's not like he shot anyone.


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 08:58 AM

Hmm... what would you all get prissy about more?

"107 Year Old Shot by Police"

   or

"7 Year Old Dead by Stray Fire As Cops Looked On"




Thought so.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 09:08 AM

View PostDecoNoir, on 15 September 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Hmm... what would you all get prissy about more?

"107 Year Old Shot by Police"

   or

"7 Year Old Dead by Stray Fire As Cops Looked On"




Thought so.
But he was in his bedroom and the area cleared of bystanders. Well I suppose chucking teargas through his window is not as exciting as killing him. Is this the default positiion for Americans, to kill and kill and kill.


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 09:37 AM

View PostKaa-Tzik, on 15 September 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:


But he was in his bedroom and the area cleared of bystanders. Well I suppose chucking teargas through his window is not as exciting as killing him. Is this the default positiion for Americans, to kill and kill and kill.

I'm sorry, was he incapable of sticking his gun out of a window and blind firing? Or lifting his gun up and blowing the brains out of a SWAT officer as he stepped in a room?

If your an officer, your job is to protect civilians and the men around you. If a suspect has a firearms, you don't sit back and think "Huh, is it loaded?", because when you do that, somebody your supposed to protect dies.

As if you would do any better in that situation, armchair general bull****.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 09:39 AM

View PostDecoNoir, on 15 September 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

I'm sorry, was he incapable of sticking his gun out of a window and blind firing? Or lifting his gun up and blowing the brains out of a SWAT officer as he stepped in a room?

If your an officer, your job is to protect civilians and the men around you. If a suspect has a firearms, you don't sit back and think "Huh, is it loaded?", because when you do that, somebody your supposed to protect dies.

As if you would do any better in that situation, armchair general bull****.

I think a family member would have done a better job  than SWAT.


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 09:56 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 15 September 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:



I think a family member would have done a better job  than SWAT.

Yes, assuming you could get any over there. This is usually what tends to happen, but happy endings don't make the news.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:00 AM

View PostDecoNoir, on 15 September 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

I'm sorry, was he incapable of sticking his gun out of a window and blind firing? Or lifting his gun up and blowing the brains out of a SWAT officer as he stepped in a room?

If your an officer, your job is to protect civilians and the men around you. If a suspect has a firearms, you don't sit back and think "Huh, is it loaded?", because when you do that, somebody your supposed to protect dies.

As if you would do any better in that situation, armchair general bull****.
Having seen war close up and in all it's gore, yes

And having some experience in internal security as well....

Edited by Kaa-Tzik, 15 September 2013 - 10:01 AM.


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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:00 AM

View PostDecoNoir, on 15 September 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

Yes, assuming you could get any over there. This is usually what tends to happen, but happy endings don't make the news.
And assuming the guy wouldn't just shoot his family down. Police can't take that risk...

(But some happy endings make the news)

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 02:57 PM

View PostKaa-Tzik, on 15 September 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:


Having seen war close up and in all it's gore, yes

And having some experience in internal security as well....

Then you off all people shouldn't act like like this was some rash decision done on a whim. Even if we're just a bunch of stupid, bloodthirsty Americans.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 03:20 PM

View PostDecoNoir, on 15 September 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Then you off all people shouldn't act like like this was some rash decision done on a whim. Even if we're just a bunch of stupid, bloodthirsty Americans.
One guy in the UK was shot for carrying a chair leg in public, and there have been other incidents. I do not trust the police to know what they are doing with fire arms. And these are your words, not mine "Even if we're just a bunch of stupid, bloodthirsty Americans".  I simply asked if it was the default position of Americans to kill, as it does seem to be, particulary the propensity for blue on blue over the years. You seem rather touchy about this, but that is your affair and I have no interest having a yah boo contest.

Edited by Kaa-Tzik, 15 September 2013 - 03:27 PM.





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