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The disappearance of Ray Gricar

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#511    simplybill

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:37 PM

View PostDuncansmom, on 07 October 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Who asked the question ?  I thought it was a profiler.
D - This was in the Sara Ganim article from April 2012:

"A state police profiler began to ask questions, and some of them struck Sloane as pretty weird.
“Have you ever seen Ray’s underclothes?”
“Have you ever thought he was gay?”
Gricar, with his mysterious demeanor, had always been the subject of conjecture for the nosy, Sloane said. He chalked the questions up to that."

http://www.pennlive....ar_mystery.html

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:51 PM

View Postsimplybill, on 07 October 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

D - This was in the Sara Ganim article from April 2012:

"A state police profiler began to ask questions, and some of them struck Sloane as pretty weird.
“Have you ever seen Ray’s underclothes?”
“Have you ever thought he was gay?”
Gricar, with his mysterious demeanor, had always been the subject of conjecture for the nosy, Sloane said. He chalked the questions up to that."

http://www.pennlive....ar_mystery.html

My point exactly------------do you see any other questions asked by the profiler offered, such as those that might have led to the profiler determining suicide likely?  In fact, according to DetZ, no report from the profiler was ever forthcoming, and no name for the profiler was ever offered.   The 'friend' instead dangles a tidbit he is well aware that the journalist will latch on to.  I remain firm on questioning the depth of the so-called friendship as well as the NationalE level of reporting.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:51 PM

View Postregi, on 07 October 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Oh. (I don't get it.)



I think it's the notion that it was planted is what's hanging you up. (And I don't have to tell you, it's a notion that never made any sense to me.)

I don't "get" most vanity license plates but to each his own I suppose.  Remember, the Mini was reportedly a gift.  I guess the plate was an attempt to add cuteness....fail IMO.

Nah, the fact it was in an obvious location is what led me to believe in the notion.  At some point in this case you have to put trust or faith in what others report or tell you to get to any conclusion.  For me the fact that I have been told by someone who was there, during the searches, that it is highly unlikely that it was missed leads me to that notion as well.  But hey anything is possible.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:00 PM

View PostSaunterer, on 07 October 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

simplybill: Under pressure to do something more about Gricar's cold case, the DA (MM) asked the elite PSP-CIA team to review the local investigative effort and suggest other things local LE might do. The CIA team itself did not do any investigating.

Duncansmom: It was not TSM that donated to a political campaign, but rather individual officers/board members (which is legal but raised some eyebrows anyway).

The "Gay Ray" idea has been occasionally tossed around in every Gricar discussion forum I have read.  One of the reported Mini Cooper sightings that weekend was at Shikellamy Overlook, a known gay hangout (according to locals there) just a few miles south of Lewisburg.  If this is the big case secret, LE and the news media have been incredibly successful in keeping it quiet all these years ... not even a rumor having come from any insider types.

Thanks, S, for the Second Mile explanation.  That one really did spin me around when I read it.  However, it is almost as bad that their board members had an established example of campaign donations...  My eyebrows are raised.

What the heck is the PSP-CIA team though?  You guys could go work for the government with your acronyms!  By the time I figure out what you are discussing or who, every one is  on to the next topic !!  LOL :yes:

You aren't going to hear anything about "it" from the "insiders."  That's been my point.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:08 PM

View PostDuncansmom, on 07 October 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Thanks, S, for the Second Mile explanation.  That one really did spin me around when I read it.  However, it is almost as bad that their board members had an established example of campaign donations...  My eyebrows are raised.

What the heck is the PSP-CIA team though?  You guys could go work for the government with your acronyms!  By the time I figure out what you are discussing or who, every one is  on to the next topic !!  LOL :yes:

You aren't going to hear anything about "it" from the "insiders."  That's been my point.

PSP- Pennsylvania State Police
CIA- Central Intelligence Agency

LOL, we did have a thread dedicated just for our "acronyms" on our old board.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:14 PM

PSP-CIA: Pennsylvania State Police, Criminal Investigative Assessment / Missing Persons Unit.  Until 2004 its activities were played up in the PSP's annual reports ... although I have not read the annual reports for several years now.

"I have faced murderers, rapists and pedophiles in court and a few pansy DAs in suits don't bother me." ~ Montour County DA and friend of Ray Gricar, Bob Buehner, responding to PDAA criticism leveled at him at the behest of the impotent Attorney General, Tom Corbett.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:15 PM

View Postlw-intuit, on 07 October 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Since it was a discussion of the disappearance of the county DA, why would any good journalist think that picking such a statement out of an interview and highlighting it is relevant to the investigation, unless it was for one sole purpose........to mislead, to usurp, to undermine?  I question the motive(s) of both the journalist and the interviewee.  What was the point?  It's not like SteveS is said to have told the interviewer his answer to the question, but rather both leave the answer blank, but still uses the question to attempt to either direct or mis-direct public attention.

That is not news reporting.........it's NationalE territory, where the embellishments sell more rags than the truth would, if the truth were known.  I have had a tough time throughout the investigation with the 'misleading', and not understanding why it's necessary.  I compare it to the JLuna case where an LE official is dead, and the cause of death is then blamed on the victim.   The Luna case, in a manner, seems to have set a precedent for future work-related crimes involving LE officials.

JMO
I think the sensationalism is creeping into these articles more and more because, after 8 years, the story no longer has legs. It would be difficult for a journalist to write an interesting story, considering the basic story hasn't changed for about 7 years now. There just isn't anything more to report on. In order to keep the public's interest,  the writer has to either present new evidence or a new angle; at this point the only angles that haven't been worn out by past journalists are the sensational ones.

Edited by simplybill, 07 October 2013 - 05:17 PM.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostSaunterer, on 07 October 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

PSP-CIA: Pennsylvania State Police, Criminal Investigative Assessment / Missing Persons Unit.  Until 2004 its activities were played up in the PSP's annual reports ... although I have not read the annual reports for several years now.

Oops, thank you Saunterer for the correction.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:30 PM

View Postsimplybill, on 07 October 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

I think the sensationalism is creeping into these articles more and more because, after 8 years, the story no longer has legs. It would be difficult for a journalist to write an interesting story, considering the basic story hasn't changed for about 7 years now. There just isn't anything more to report on. In order to keep the public's interest,  the writer has to either present new evidence or a new angle; at this point the only angles that haven't been worn out by past journalists are the sensational ones.

Excellent point !    I can just hear Nancy Grace trying to make a show out of "Bombshell Tonight!   UPDATE  ~~  Nothing"


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:32 PM

Regi, I am glad we are getting along better :tsu:

What is your opinion on:

The Code Book left on Mark Smith's desk?  It was said to have opened right up to the section that guides how to replace a missing, deceased, or otherwise absent DA.

What do you make of all the sightings of RG?

Do you think there was a mystery woman?

Why do you think the scene in Lewisburg resembles the one of RG's brothers suicide?

What do you make of the Fenton sighting?

What do you make of Lara Gricar's utter silence over the years?


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:35 PM

LOL, SS!  Not sure if this was the last list I put up, but it might help some here:

ADA - Assistant District Attorney
AG - Amos Goodall or Attorney General
AGO - Attorney General’s Office (also OAG)
AVM - Alejandro Vargas Mendez (or Mendez Vargas)

BB - Bob Buehner
BG - Barbara (Gray) Gricar
BJL - Billy Joe Leathers
BK - Bill Keisling or 1998 shower witness
BM - R. Bruce Manchester
BOT - Board of Trustees
BP - Barbara Petito
BPD - Bellefonte Police Department
BS - Everything which LE and others have thrust upon the public ... without proof.
CB - Carla Baron
CDT - Centre Daily Times
CF - Carolyn (Fenton) Larrabee
CG - Chris Gricar
CPV - Central Pennsylvania Vagueness
CS - Cheryl Spotts
DA - District Attorney
DC - Daily Collegian
DD - Duane Dixon
DN - Dennis Nau, Sheriff of Centre County
DZ - Darryl Zaccagni
EG - Emma (Lange) Gricar
EN - Erin Nissley
EW - Ed Walker
GJ - Grand Jury
GJP - Grand Jury presentment
GS - Gary Schultz or Gary Sinderson or Graham Spanier
GVS - Greta Van Susteren
JP - Joe Paterno
JS - Jerry Sandusky

KA - Karen Arnold (also JKA)
LE - Law Enforcement
LG - Lara Gricar
LM - Lisa Mendez or Lance Marshall
LMW - Lewisburg Mystery Woman
MJ - Mike Joseph
MM - Michael Madeira or Mike McQueary
MR - Matt Rickard
MS - Mark Smith
NG - Nancy Grace
OT - Off topic (also O/T)
PB - Pete Bosak
PDAA - Pennsylvania District Attorneys Association
PF - Patty Fornicola (also PEF)
PN - The Patriot-News (Harrisburg)
PPG - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
PSP-CIA - Pennsylvania State Police, Criminal Investigative Assessment/Missing Persons Unit
RG - Ray Gricar (also RFG)
RM - see BM

RS - Ron Schreffler
SG - Sara Ganim
SPM - Stacy Parks Miller
SS - Steve Sloane
SW - Shawn Weaver
TC - Tom Corbett or Tim Curley
TdB - Tony deBoef
TG - Tony Gricar
TH - Thomas Harmon

TL - Taji “Verbal” Lee
TMcK - Merritt “Ted” McKnight (or TM)
TMW - Tyrone Mystery Woman

TT - Tom Thal
YITMAMPW -
Years In the Making and Meticulously Planned Walkaway Theory


"I have faced murderers, rapists and pedophiles in court and a few pansy DAs in suits don't bother me." ~ Montour County DA and friend of Ray Gricar, Bob Buehner, responding to PDAA criticism leveled at him at the behest of the impotent Attorney General, Tom Corbett.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:48 PM

The unfortunate thing about this site is we can't do our separate threads for the same topic :(


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:56 PM

Making the Shikellamy Overlook a more family friendly state park

SUNBURY – The Shikellamy State Park Overlook has gotten bad publicity over the years due to reports of inappropriate behavior taking place in the park, including homosexual activity.  
http://www.wqkx.com/...IVES/020710.htm

"I have faced murderers, rapists and pedophiles in court and a few pansy DAs in suits don't bother me." ~ Montour County DA and friend of Ray Gricar, Bob Buehner, responding to PDAA criticism leveled at him at the behest of the impotent Attorney General, Tom Corbett.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:57 PM

View PostSuperSmith, on 07 October 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

Regi, I am glad we are getting along better :tsu:

:tsu: Me, too.

View PostSuperSmith, on 07 October 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

What is your opinion on:

The Code Book left on Mark Smith's desk?  It was said to have opened right up to the section that guides how to replace a missing, deceased, or otherwise absent DA.

Assuming it's true, I wouldn't attach any significance to it.

View PostSuperSmith, on 07 October 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

What do you make of all the sightings of RG?

I'd find them unreliable.

View PostSuperSmith, on 07 October 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

Do you think there was a mystery woman?

I wouldn't rule it out. I think if there was, then she's obviously equally as discreet as Gricar

View PostSuperSmith, on 07 October 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

Why do you think the scene in Lewisburg resembles the one of RG's brothers suicide?

I find that to be a chilling, haunting aspect.

View PostSuperSmith, on 07 October 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

What do you make of the Fenton sighting?

:unsure2: Who's Fenton? :lol:

View PostSuperSmith, on 07 October 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

What do you make of Lara Gricar's utter silence over the years?

I'd see no reason to hold it against her.


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Edited by regi, 07 October 2013 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:01 PM

View PostSuperSmith, on 07 October 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

The unfortunate thing about this site is we can't do our separate threads for the same topic :(
I think that's a great idea Super. I don't think the moderators would object, though someone should explain to them the need for separate threads, just so they don't "combine" the topics as they sometimes do.

Every warrior is happy when his enemies flee before him, but much more blessed is the man to whom his fiercest enemies can come with confidence, knowing beforehand they will be received with love.
Richard Wurmbrand in Reaching Toward the Heights.